Author Topic: F1 season 1992 (Read 965 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #30 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:19:02 PM »

I think the quality of the racing is inversely proportional to the aerodynamic efficiency of the cars. Even though the wings are much smaller now, the cars are more dependent on perfect airflow, and they lose a lot of grip when following closely. I'd like to see "spec" bodywork (make everybody use the same bodywork forward/aft of the front/rear axles) to limit downforce.

Actually what I'd really like to see (apologies to Steve Matchett) is a true driver's championship with very fast "spec" cars. And a separate manufacturer's championship with unlimited technical rules and no drivers. For closed circuit racing, with current guidance and control technology, the driver is a liability.

Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:25:43 PM »

Now a real Mclaren

funkedup · « **Reply #32 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:25:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Replicant
Didn't Schumacher & Frentzen drive for Sauber Mercedes in the Worlds Sportscar Prototype Championship (WSPC/IMSA) in around 1990?

I liked WSPC more than F1 at the time, although I prefered the Jaguars. Anyone remember this championship? There used to be Jaguars, Aston Martins, Porsche, Mercedes, Nissan, Toyota....

Jaguar XJR-9

XJR-11

XJR-14

Yep those were the Group C cars. In the USA we had a similar category called GTP which allowed Group C cars. They were just as fast as contemporary F1 cars. They were a little heavier but had way more downforce.

funkedup · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:30:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Monk
Now a real Mclaren

Nice. I've seen a lot of those cars race at Laguna Seca in the historics. McLarens, Chapparral, Lola, Shadow, Porsche 917/30, etc. Gurney, Hulme (RIP), Amon, Follmer, etc. driving of course. Got to meet Dan and Denny and stood right there in the paddock while Denny warmed up an M8D, exhaust pulses singing my leg hairs.

Replicant · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2003, 03:05:52 PM »

Out of the WSPC (Group C) cars, it was only the Jaguar XJR-14 that was on a par with the F1 cars. IIRC the XJR-14 had a F1 rated Ford Cosworth tuned V8 (N/A?); the XJR-9 & 12 had Jaguar V12 engines (N/A), and the XJR-11 had a V6 twin turbo (Ford?) I think?

They'd normally enter the older XJR-9/12 for races such as Le Man's 24 Hour since the reliability of the V12 was greater for longer distance races.

funkedup · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2003, 05:53:43 PM »

Maybe the rules were a little different in IMSA GTP. Some of those cars had close 1000 hp towards the end of the series.

senna · « **Reply #36 on:** June 04, 2003, 06:19:35 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Yes! That's my complaint as well. You can't appreciate the speeds those cars go if you're sitting at home watching the race on the television. I went to a CART race in St. Petersburg, Florida, and was impressed at how fast the CHAMP cars could take the turns.

Still, I'm not really a fan of open-wheel racing. The Trans-Am sports coupe series is the better race of the CART circuit, and ALMS puts on some great 3-day events, too. I've already made my hotel reservations for Sebring's ALMS event next year and if I don't get let go from my job between now and March, I plan on actually buying a ticket.

Its those turbos they use in the Indy cars. They muffle the engine sounds and create a less spectacular vibe as the cars hurl past. I actually prefer to watch sports/WSC racing over Indy cars at the races. Their engines are often normally aspirated and are loud. One of my favorite parts of watching a race is at the start when they are all lined up on the grid and they all start their engines. From silence to (dont now what adj to use here). Its cool

. Gets my adrenaline going thats for sure.

senna · « **Reply #37 on:** June 04, 2003, 06:51:57 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup[i/]
Even though the wings are much smaller now, the cars are more dependent on perfect airflow, and they lose a lot of grip when following closely.

I agree. It does seem like the F1 guys have very unforgiving cars these days. That along with the longer wheel bases and tires in F1 tend to make the drivers take less risks as well. Its a contrast from the older days.

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Actually what I'd really like to see is a true driver's championship with very fast "spec" cars. And a separate manufacturer's championship with unlimited technical rules and no drivers. For closed circuit racing, with current guidance and control technology, the driver is a liability.

Yawn, no way, I would have to disagree. Not at the top levels of racing. Spec racing is for junior levels. I like F1 alot because its dynamic and is a more grander scale of motor racing. I think they should just keep changing the rules to regulate it (top teams vs rules) and have at it. At the top levels of racing, the drivers should shine as well as the hardware.