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Offline beet1e

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k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl
« on: June 11, 2003, 06:48:39 AM »
I still believe that too much is being read into the hallowed k/t. It is governed by many factors, and is only a relevant comparison between guys who strive to achieve the highest k/t, and nothing else. I’m not interested in k/t, so mine is irrelevant - I have no interest in becoming enslaved to the scoreboard. It is also totally removed from the realities of WW2 (the event upon which this sim is modelled – seems some people need reminding) and one could argue that it’s the pursuit of a high k/t that has created the furball suicide dweebery and aerial Quake that is killing the MA, if Sabre’s songs are to be believed. Think of it – you go to a furball with alt in a one-ping wonderplane like the C-Hog, dive in, get as many kills as possible while you still have E, get shot, bail (you never intended to RTB anyway), and your new plane is only a mouseclick away.  Just imagine if AH were to measure pilot performance in a different way – length of streak (and I’m not talking about dirty underpants). WB included that stat, and it was a measure of how many kills you had before getting killed yourself. I managed 28 once, but some guys had 50, 100, or more. That sure did away with a whole lot of suicide dweebery.

I get by as a fighter pilot. I’m not the best, not by any means. I’m good enough to get by against most of what the arena throws at me – my bad luck if I run into Urchin or Shane – lol. My fighter rank (assuming one ascribes any relevance to it) has been something around 150-300 for the last few tours. But even this needs to be qualified! There was a time when I scored attack sorties and fighter sorties separately. That’s because attack sorties carry great risk – a lumbering fully loaded P47 is a sitting duck – and the separation of the scores allows a separate analysis of one’s fighter scores and attack scores. But even this is flawed! And that’s because there are many times when what began as a jabo sortie becomes a fighter sortie later on. And very often there are a lot of kills to be had in one such sortie. So I have gone back to just scoring everything as a fighter sortie. It makes k/t look a lot better, but k/d might suffer if flying a lot of jabo sorties, and the cherrypickers are already airborne.

There’s something else. I’m not one for playing a subset of a game – any game – the way some guys here do. Some of you guys might be brilliant fighter jocks. I often see text buffer utterances like ”I would’ve killed you had your friend not shown up”, or ”let’s go to the DA and then we’ll see who’s best”. The thing about these situations is that the victor was in the right place at the right time – and THAT, I believe, is part of being a smart fighter pilot. Remember that in 80% of real WW2 kills, the attacker was not seen by his quarry. But some of you guys want ONLY to fight, and have no interest in the strategic aspects of the game. When you go looking for your fights, how do you do it? You look at the map, of course. But supposing some buffs/fluffs have flattened your radar factory? The map is not much use then. One evening, there were some determined buffs hammering Bish HQ. We had only just resupplied it from the last attack. I considered that it might be in the best interests of the Bish to get up in a Jug-25 and defend the HQ. Even though we were on one of the children’s maps, it was a long flight to get to the Bouncy Castle, and when I got to that area I was able to attack and destroy three buff formations. Because of being in a remote area, they weren’t expecting an attack and had no gunners. Two of the formations were LANCs – hehe, no ball turret on a LANC.

With my ammo (and fuel) largely depleted, I RTBed and landed 8 kills. One of the buffs must have ditched or escaped. It had been a long flight – that climb to 20K takes forever, so k/t went down the tubes, but at least it meant we had a working map, so that YOU guys could find your furballing fun. Symbiosis. Hey, somebody had to do it. I enjoyed that sortie, and a lot of Bish were happier as a result, though they never knew that it was old Uncle Beet1e that kept the lights from being turned off.

Of course, I could have gone for a insta-kill-5K-kwik-fix, but the interests of the Bish would have suffered great harm had we lost that radar factory. Then, the only option at my disposal would have been to whine to HTC, and maybe ask them if we are to be at the mercy of fluffs in AH2. Or whine to get the game changed – by increasing radar factory “hardness”, or by perking bombs weighing more than 100lb. Or whined that the effect of the buffs was disproportionate to the level of effort required. But these are all whines to procure a particular set of game parameters in order to boost a player’s chosen stat, and to show himself in the strongest possible light, without that player having to lift a finger to do it himself.

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Re: k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2003, 07:27:37 AM »
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I have no interest in becoming enslaved to the scoreboard.  


From the looks of this post, it's too late to save you.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2003, 07:46:20 AM »
there is a score in this game :eek: :eek:














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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2003, 07:58:59 AM »
Allright, be honest now... did anyone read that whole post?  If they did can they make some cliffs notes?  (oh you can leave out the parts about 8 kill sorties and how skillfu he is)
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2003, 08:47:42 AM »
I read the first line, scanned the rest. Saw something about statistics or something.  I think he just needs to use my MudFlapGirl-gunsightv2 to relax a bit and he'll be fine.

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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2003, 09:40:13 AM »
"it’s the pursuit of a high k/t that has created the furball suicide dweebery and aerial Quake that is killing the MA"

I have seen many assumptions as to what is causing the problem(s) as you have described, but k/t was never the subject of cause. k/t was definately the subject of a beet1e / lazs debate about runners (yawn).

Where is this elusive k/t stat, I only see a Kills / Hour stat.

I don't care what you or anybody says about Kills / Hour, that is the most abiguious stat of them all.

The only stats that I care about (fighter/attack) and let me know where I stand are the K/D and Hit percentage, and still, the goal of improving ones stats, IMHO could hardly be indicators of current MA behaviour.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2003, 09:42:34 AM by SlapShot »
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2003, 10:02:36 AM »
hit percentage and score are the least useful stats... score indicates time up and hit percentage indicates type of guns or planes flown more than anything.  All stats are useful for tracking personal goals or trends but K/H is the most useful for determining how much air combat is going on in the arena... the more gangbanging and steamrolleriing the less K/H average.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2003, 10:11:14 AM »
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Originally posted by lassie
Allright, be honest now... did anyone read that whole post?  If they did can they make some cliffs notes?  (oh you can leave out the parts about 8 kill sorties and how skillfu he is)
lazs


You're still a jerk.  I'm going to point out HOW you were a jerk, so you can modify your behavior, if that is your wish.

1.  Subtle dig that post was too long to keep your attention.

This shows only that the author of the barb (that's you, lassie, pay attention now...)  has a short attention span, and cannot--or will not--read anything more complicated than the Sunday comics.  This kind of person never even listens to the other guy's point of view before jumping up and screaming about how stupid or silly the other person is.  Not the argument, but the person.  In other words, a jerk.

2.  Snide implication that post author is beating his own chest.

This shows that the author of the nasty little implication is unsure of his own manhood, and must pull others down to make himself feel better.  Combined with lassie's tendency to point out that others aren't as good as he is, this implies real issues that should be dealt with by a professional.  In other words, a pathetic jerk.

Did I mention that you're still a jerk, lassie??  I don't want to forget to remind you.:D

Perhaps you should join JA (jerks anonymous) and get into one of those 12-step programs.  I can see it now, "Hello, my name is Lassie, and I'm a jerk."

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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2003, 10:19:30 AM »
no hubert.... what it proves is that you are new.   It proves that you haven't  been around long enough to have read some of his earlier wall-0-text thinly disguised "i am really good at this why doesn't anyone notice but me" posts.  

hint... note the lack of people jumping on your bandwagon..  Those that have been around long enough would appreciat some sort of cliffs notes on his posts.

but ya know... you are right... I do feel better now.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2003, 10:28:28 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
Allright, be honest now... did anyone read that whole post?  If they did can they make some cliffs notes?  (oh you can leave out the parts about 8 kill sorties and how skillfu he is)
lazs



Lol, to be honest, I looked at the thread title, and opened it...

It looked like another Beetle post resembling… what was that game with the pong paddle on the bottom, and a ball? Blockout? A quick Logitech wheel scrolled down, not reading one word, and just read the responses, right to yours. Sorry, but too funny.

Ok, Ill go read it.

Be cool if you could just pong it away though. Is there a Java script for this?!

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2003, 10:34:52 AM »
thank you creamo... i do appreciate your sacrafice.   I know I don't allways show it but  I really like you... in a manly hubert tough guy kinda way.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2003, 10:43:45 AM »
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thank you creamo... i do appreciate your sacrafice.   I know I don't allways show it but  I really like you... in a manly hubert tough guy kinda way.
lazs


Is that as opposed to your  "girly feminine sissy boy kinda way"?  I'm glad you're finally getting in touch with your masculine side, lassie.

But you're still a jerk.  Why not try to work on that, too?:p

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2003, 10:47:19 AM »
Having been playing for only 5 months (no prior online game experience) I am still amazed at the versatility of play AH offers.

You've got missions, scenarios and snapshots for strat guys, ct for quasi history buffs, da if you want to knife fight with a buddy.  The MA is a great place to explore as a lone wolf or to fly with a flock of fellow countrymen.  TA is great to pump your ego by answering basic questions for some of the new folks.

I always check my score the day following an evening in the MA or CT.  That's the only measure I have of improvement (or digression).

It looks to me like there is something here for everybody, and a few complain because everybody's not playing their way.

The only problem I've seen is that my sleep schedule has gone to crap since I've been playing.


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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2003, 11:01:11 AM »
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hit percentage and score are the least useful stats... score indicates time up and hit percentage indicates type of guns or planes flown more than anything.  All stats are useful for tracking personal goals or trends but K/H is the most useful for determining how much air combat is going on in the arena... the more gangbanging and steamrolleriing the less K/H average.
lazs


I know that you are steadfast in your beliefs laz, but as far as I am concerned, there are too many variables and circumstances that could sway this number that have nothing to do with AtoA combat.

A good mission night when the Knight Alliance flys, could sway this number significantly due to the steamrollering/vulchfest that can take place. On such missions, 10+ kill sorties by multiple planes, within a short period of time can take place, and this is not a picture of AtoA combat. These multiple kill sorties in short periods of time can sway that number significantly.
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Re: k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2003, 11:04:07 AM »
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Blah blah blah... anybody not for strat is a quaker...

Blah blah blah... I have lots of fun sight seeing...



I think that about sums it up :D.