k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl

[beet1e]

Nobaddy! Yes I do like your Trinity map. Yes, I know this isn't WB, hence you think my concern about a few vociferous furball lobbyists in AH is not applicable. Well, there's a saying that goes something like "when your neighbour's house is on fire, it's time to protect your own".  

In reality, it would seem that the only way to get the kind of balance you are talking about would be to have 1 fighter, 1 bomber and 1 ground vehicle available. Meybe it's me...but, that sounds a little boring

LOL! Of course that would be boring, and that's why that is not my vision, and you know it.

Yes, maybe hitech wants the MA to be 1945 every day, but that doesn't mean that he won't perk certain planes if the balance of the arena becomes lopsided. That's why the F4U-1C got perked, although I wasn't around when that happened. The LA7 could be perked for that very same reason - balance....

...which leads me on to AKAK. I didn't say I thought the LA7 was an invincible uberplane. My k/d against LA7s for the past 4-5 tours has been a fairly consistent 5/2. But it is an uberplane in the sense that it's the fastest unperked prop plane in the game. It's also the chosen goon hunter. Why? Because it can get to the field next door in about 5 minutes - less, if the furballers were to have their way with closer fields.

err whine for perking of a certain plane (usually because they don't have the necessary skill to defeat that certain plane)

- just as the furballers seem to lack the necessary skills to kill an inbound suicide fuel porker?

Well, now that you've reviewed my stats, I guess you need to concede that I do indeed kill that certain plane - largely because there are so many of them around. Guess I must be one of the unusual cases - LOL. But you're right about the TA - my fighter rank has slipped to 226.

Nopoop, you are tedious...

You really ought to work on your debating techniques.

You ought to work on your spelling and grammar. How can I answer a question that doesn't make sense?

your in danger of failing the course

My in danger of failing the course? Oh, you meant "you're in danger". OK, but what course? Again, I cannot comment unless your (ooops, you're) going to make sense.

It's almost midnight. Time for one more drink, and then to hit the sack. I shall sleep well tonight.

Toodle-Pip.

[nopoop]

I'm sorry Beet1e you have failed the course. Yet another reply dodging the original question. Two dodges in the same thread are a mandatory failure. Misdirection is a very poor alternative.

Your D_U_N...dun.

With study you will improve.

Tedious ??

Have you ever actually read one of your wall'o'texts ??

Think "economy".

Your performance has slipped of late. Some time in the debating TA should be your first priority.

Sleep well, and give Tomato my best.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e


But it is an uberplane in the sense that it's the fastest unperked prop plane in the game. It's also the chosen goon hunter. Why? Because it can get to the field next door in about 5 minutes - less, if the furballers were to have their way with closer fields.  - just as the furballers seem to lack the necessary skills to kill an inbound suicide fuel porker?

Again, those reason above you mention are hardly any reasons to perk the La7 or to consider it even remotely 'uber'.  Like I said, tactics will get your further than trying to perk a plane out of action.  Ever thought about providing escort for the goon or a fighter sweep in advance of the goon?  Tactics,  tactics, tactics...

Well, now that you've reviewed my stats

If I don't give a rat's bellybutton about my stats, what makes you think I care to take the time to care about yours?  


Ack-Ack

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by beet1e
Nobaddy! Yes I do like your Trinity map. Yes, I know this isn't WB, hence you think my concern about a few vociferous furball lobbyists in AH is not applicable. Well, there's a saying that goes something like "when your neighbour's house is on fire, it's time to protect your own".   LOL! Of course that would be boring, and that's why that is not my vision, and you know it.

Yes, maybe hitech wants the MA to be 1945 every day, but that doesn't mean that he won't perk certain planes if the balance of the arena becomes lopsided. That's why the F4U-1C got perked, although I wasn't around when that happened. The LA7 could be perked for that very same reason - balance....

Well...I hope you slept well . I am glad you like Trinity. Hopefully, once you have had a chance to see the changes I have made, you will agree that they are good for the game. I spoke with HT this morning and he plans to have it ready for the next map rotation (I will probably call him again in a couple of days to 'remind' him ).

As for burning down the house...I have known the fireman for many years. I am supremely confident in his ability to keep our house from burning. Case in point, over the last couple of years the vast majority of complaints have been from the black leather underwear crowd. If they had their way, the German planes would out run, out turn and out climb everything in the game. Allied planes would blow up at a mere glance. (exaggeration is for effect...no hate mail please ). Seriously, if what you are worried about was really a problem, HT would have caved in to the LW crowd ages ago. Frankly, I am constantly amazed at his ability to 'see' the balance issues in a proposed change instantly. Don't even bother asking how many of my ideas he has shot down over the years .

I was here when the Chog was perked. It was perked because the usage shot up wildly. After a couple of camps, HT looked at the numbers and agreed that it was becoming way too dominant in the arena. The same can not be said of the La7. HT doesn't want the arena to be "1945 everyday". It is a melee arena. If a does become more dominant than he feels it should be, he will probably perk it. I do know from experience that he is a very hard sell on changes like this.

Welp...time to go watch the Animatrix with my kid. Have a nice day .

[SlapShot]

"- just as the furballers seem to lack the necessary skills to kill an inbound suicide fuel porker?"

Please tell me what segment of the AH population really has the skills to kill inbound suicide fuel porkers ? Is it the "strat" segment ? ... I think not.

If anybody does have the ability and/or chance to, it will be the furballers who will catch them (prior to them putting their noses down), but in reality ... no "faction" within the AH population really has the abilities to stop any JABO dropping from 10K-15K down onto a base.

Name dropping ... please ... I hardly need the personal approval of Shane or any pilot in this game. I was just giving credit where credit is due. Drex ... I have heard he's a putz ... but his quote speaks volumes.

[BNM]

Originally posted by beet1e
Nice try, BNM, but that's not what I was getting at.

The problem with the smaller, children's maps is that the fields are so close together that they give rise to opportunist LA7 cherrypickers. Gawd knows I've seen enough of that, and it's one of the reasons I like Trinity and the Pizza map. Now I don't know how effective an LA7 is against a buff, as I fly neither. But even if Mr. Cherrypick chooses a mount other than an LA7, the reality is that he and his buds will be making those 5 minute opportunist runs to whack the buffs while they are at low alt. So that straight line you have drawn won't be applicable. The buffs would have to fly away from the eventual target initially to gain enough alt to meke safe transit of the en route fields prior to reaching the target.

Hope that clears it up.

Wrong. Nothing you have stated here makes any sense. It is your usual jibberish. All I can glean from it is, apparently, you have no idea how to fight a La7. If you LOOK at what I 'drew' the distance to the "front line" where you would encounter 'the dreaded La7' is the SAME DISTANCE in both cases. The climb to alt is the SAME DISTANCE in both cases. The distance to the final target is the SAME DISTANCE in both cases. The ONLY difference is that furballers do not have to fly as far to fight.

Rest assured this is my final post to you. You are like talking to a fence post. Trying to explain anything to you is throwing pearls before swine. Also your son rupert is even more rude and condesending than you. That is saying something although you two are on about the same wavelength. A chip off the old block I'd say. I've never used the ignore list thing until now but you and your buddy are on it. Adios dweeb and enjoy your life in beetleland where beetle logic reigns supreme...

[nopoop]

Originally posted by BNM
You are like talking to a fence post

Yes he is. But..

Beet1e is nowhere in the same class as rshubert. Beet's done his time, paid his dues, he's a stick. If a fence post it is ?? That's what comes with the package. If when it's unwrapped it's a hunk of dried out wood with nails in it ?? So be it.

We must transform this hunk of dried out wood into a finely veneered maple coffee table. And I shall not rest until we do.

Rshubert is just a newbie, he'll either quit or pay his dues. A different rshubert may be found in a year or so..

If he hangs..

[BNM]

I hear ya poop. That's why I said rup was MORE rude and condesending. You are correct in the fact that he has been here longer. I must say it is cool scanning threads now and seeing "This person in on your ignore list" in place of the usual 200 lines of drivel.  Wish I had used this earlier.

PS... I'll bet you a month of AH you never make civil human beings with open minds out of either one of them.

[nopoop]

What we'll do is  move Beet1e to the God fearing pistol packing U ess of A and give him a REAL good dose of 500 "primetime" gangbangin suiciding fuel porkin groupies for a solid week and he's a lock. Bezerkly would be a good spot for the stay.

Rshubert ??

Will check in on him in a year.

If he's around I owe you one VERY cold cheap beer in a can.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by nopoop


Rshubert ??

Will check in on him in a year.

If he's around I owe you one VERY cold cheap beer in a can.

Don't worry about me, nopoop.  I will still be doing what I want to in this game.  It will probably be a balanced approach to the whole thing, unlike many who concentrate only on one aspect.  

I've been sitting back watching the snippy, squeaky little comments, and realized that one word covers it all--small.

I really dislike your whole "pay your dues" attitude.  Do you somehow get the idea that we have a seniority system here?  Does a couple of years in the furball make you wiser, smarter, or better able to judge what others should do?  Were you this whiney when you came into the game, or is that the sum total of what you have gained from the experience?  I hope not.

AND, I'll still think that your buddy lassie is a jerk.

[beet1e]

Phew, lots of replies... Nobaddy - thanks for yours. I am comforted by what you said. Let's hope we never have those subtle changes/"nudges" of the sort that ruined WB - or were at least a major factor in said ruination. It's a very sensitive area for me, so when people start talking about tweaking this, hardening that, I hear those fire alarm bells.

AKAK -

Ever thought about providing escort for the goon or a fighter sweep in advance of the goon? Tactics, tactics, tactics...

Of course, and often it is something like that. But just as said fighter sweep would have to guard against a goon hunter diving in to the base to protect the goon, so could the furballers defend against a fuel porker. Their k/t or k/h might have to suffer, which is probably why they don't do it.

Slapshot - give some thought to the above... Tactics, Tactics, Tactics! -as AKAK would put it.

What a relief to see that I'm on BNM's ignore list. I had finished with him before he finished with me, as he can't get by without hurling a personal insult when someone does not agree with him and when that person refuses to be indoctrinated. I could say "thank God he's gone", if I believed there was a god to thank. When I read this: "Rest assured this is my final post to you. You are like talking to a fence post. Trying to explain anything to you is throwing pearls before swine.", I thought Oh no! Another preacher lecture, replete with biblical reference. Took me right back to the days when I had to listen to all that claptrap. Says things like "you have no idea how to fight a La7", conveniently overlooking the facts/stats. That's because his kind are interested only in THEIR way, THEIR version of the facts - which they try to ramrod into others, and then get insulting when that doesn't work. Reminds me of another preacher I used to know...

Nopoop! Thank you for your kind words. Which of your off topic questions do you want answered first? Fuel porkage? Well AKAK came up with a good idea for defending a goon - maybe you can work out something similar for defending the fuel! Just as I worked out a strategy for defending HQ. Of course, you might have to climb to higher than 5K - lol. Your k/h might suffer a bit. But war involves sacrifice. Oh wait, you're not concerned with "the war", the event that spawned this game. Never mind. Back to whine mode for you then.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e


AKAK -  Of course, and often it is something like that. But just as said fighter sweep would have to guard against a goon hunter diving in to the base to protect the goon, so could the furballers defend against a fuel porker. Their k/t or k/h might have to suffer, which is probably why they don't do it.

Whether or not a furballer has the necessary skills to defend his base or whether their score/rank suffers from escorting a goon is not relevant.  It has nothing to do with your claim that the La7 is an unbalancing factor in the MA, so don't try to bring up things that aren't relevent to the discussion at hand.

So you agree that with good tactics the La7 is hardly an 'unbalancing' factor in the arena and is quite beatable, then why do you want it perked?


Ack-Ack

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
so don't try to bring up things that aren't relevent to the discussion at hand.

Ahem, this is MY thread, and the topic title refers to k/t stats. My text which you quoted above is on topic. Your discussion about LA7 is off topic. But now that you're here...

... as for the LA7, I don't see it as an uber-invincible monster, but more of a nuisance, just as the furballers perceive an F6F fuel porker to be a nuisance. They want planes with 100# bombs to be perked because they are a nuisance. By the same token, the LA7 is frequently used as an opportunist goon killing nuisance. If perking planes with bombs, why not perk the LA7? Just trying to keep the "balance".

Planes like the F4U-1C have been perked when the arena was becoming overrun with them. But as I said before, in my kill list the P51D/Spit ix/LA7 are in the top five tour after tour because the arena is overrun with them. Which kind of smacks of imbalance, probably because I never fly any of them, though used to fly P51D and Spit ix.

[SlapShot]

"Slapshot - give some thought to the above... Tactics, Tactics, Tactics! -as AKAK would put it. "

Come on beet1e ... you know as well as I do, if your have a mixture of typhoons, P51s, and F4Us at 10-15K and they put their nose down to target, there is no catching them for the most part, on the first pass. That was my point.

The furball usually takes place from 8K to 0K AGL, anything above that would be for the "high base cap" crowd, which for the most part is non-existent, due to the extreme bore factor.

"... as for the LA7, I don't see it as an uber-invincible monster, but more of a nuisance, just as the furballers perceive an F6F fuel porker to be a nuisance. They want planes with 100# bombs to be perked because they are a nuisance. By the same token, the LA7 is frequently used as an opportunist goon killing nuisance. If perking planes with bombs, why not perk the LA7? Just trying to keep the "balance".

The F6F was just given as an example, it was not intended as a whine towards the F6F. Any JABO plane could have been used in that example.

The "perk the bomb" cause has all but disappered and never really gained any momentum, nor has/had as large a following as the "closer fields are better" crowd.

"Planes like the F4U-1C have been perked when the arena was becoming overrun with them. But as I said before, in my kill list the P51D/Spit ix/LA7 are in the top five tour after tour because the arena is overrun with them. Which kind of smacks of imbalance, probably because I never fly any of them, though used to fly P51D and Spit ix."

Spitfire Mk IX - 1.12  K/D
La-7 - 1.22  K/D
P-51D - 0.89  K/D
N1K2 - 1.23 K/D

Average K/D = 1.11 K/D

Those numbers due not show any imbalance at all on the MA that would require the perking of any of those planes. Yes, there are lots of 'em, but sheer numbers do not imply imbalance of gameplay, only imbalance with regards to early war usage vs. late war usage.

[rshubert]

Why the Chog is perked, with a kill ratio of 2.6, and the Tempest is perked with a kill ratio of over 4.