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Offline hazed-

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« on: July 02, 2003, 05:09:35 PM »
I wonder if HTC would consider something.


Would they consider making it so anyone on a 2 week trial is banned from flying the top 4 most used aircraft?

Now before you fly off the handle saying the newbies need the top 4 planes and other crap like that consider this

1.The arenas have filled up with too many of the same types of planes lately and someone has to give ground concerning it or AH will loose more customers.Subscribers have PAID for the privelige of flying whilst 2 week triallers pay nothing.

2. when i(and id guess most people) was new to this game it was longer than 2 weeks before i learned which planes were good for what and i enjoyed AH no less and eventually subscribed.If at the beginning some were unavailable I wouldnt have demanded i fly it, Id have just flown something else.

2. I would hazard a guess 80% of people joining have never heard of any but the most famous aircraft like b17s spitfires p51s P47s 109s etc and wouldnt know a D model from an E or A etc they would probably certainly never heard of LA7s or N1Ks which are 2 major culprits at the moment for over use.

3.  When we play a game and certain elements are unavailable we do not stop playing the game.Generally we want to play so that we CAN earn a right to fly them.Its part of the point of games.rewards etc for playing the game well and winning.

4. if all the 2 weekers in an arena of say 500 adds up to 50 or more (wouldnt you say? I have no idea how many are in an arena at any one time but its probably pretty high) thats 50 Less people flying the top 4 overused planes.That will surely make some difference.

5. If you are a subscriber it wont effect you so really theres no reason to complain.If you are on a 2 week trial and you dont agree then what gives you the right to demand free use of all planes? there really isnt a reason other than new players need to fly the easier to use aircraft. Well this is where I have to point something out. IF people use niks spits P51d's or La7s all the time they are using the most poular planes in the game. It therefore will be YOUR fault that these planes are banned from use for a 2 weeker. If we all use a more diverse choice in what we fly we can eventually get the likes of LA7s or N1ks off the top 4 to be replaced by others so if you REALLY want to help the poor newbies you can STOP FLYING the easy rides all the time.If you arent prepared to do that, then claiming newbies need these planes is horsesh8t :)

6. Most aircraft in the game that are likely to be effected, ie P51D,109G10,LA7,N1K2 and SPITIX, all have a scond or even 3rd model of their type. we have the spit5 if the spit9 gets in the top 4, we have the 109g6/2 if the 109g10 is on it, we have the P51B if the P51D is on the top 4. LA5s instead of La7s.Only the n1k2 or P38 have no other versions and i doubt the p38 will ever be in the top 4 most commonly used aircraft.(Hell i know for one thing i'd like to play in an arena where P38s got the most popular!!!)

Ok thats all im gonna say, theres a hundred other reasons I cold think of but the most compelling for me is the fact Im paying for a game where im getting sick of seeing the same fighters over and over.The guys on 2 weeks free trials arent paying and so at the moment are not contributing to the game in terms of money yet they can still can fly those very aircraft we all seem to be sick of fighting.

IF there is a lot of 2 weekers online at any one time this idea will work. If the number is very low then its not worth it but who knows? HTC? is this a viable idea?

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2003, 01:51:16 AM »
I understand your idea, sounds ok. I will venture to say that you will get told that. Most newbies no matter what they fly aren't going to be a factor in the top 4. Even if there in the best plane. if they don't have a grip on the proper way to fly it, they probably aren't going to make any impact other than being another kill for a more seasoned flyer. Why not just tweak the modeling on those planes to make them less the uber plane that they are. This is a game and i know these planes don't perform exactly like the real thing did. I don't remember the LA7 being nearly this good in AW. Hec I rearly remember anyone even flying it. To me they just need to model it alittle different so there not the super planes everyone uses. Seems like a simple solution to the problem. But I'm sure there are those that would debate it. Which is fine. This is just my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2003, 02:45:28 AM »
Limiting choices in the name of diversity isn't the answer.  

Seriously, is it really that bad that a lot like to fly the Spitfire or La7?  If the popularity of the Spitfire and La7 and other planes bothers you to the point that you want to limit what others can fly, take a step back and take a break.



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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2003, 04:08:27 AM »
I'm going to do it.  I'm going to say the dreaded P word.  If you want to limit newbies from using those planes, throw a tiny perk cost on them (I'm talking something like 2 or 3 points).  Just enough so that if they catch a clue at all, they'll be able to use them by the end of their two week trial, but they won't start off in them.  Hell, if they're a little competent, they can probably crash one or two in their two weeks and be one their way to earning another.  At 2 points, none of the "vets" of the MA are going to mind the cost of a pony or La7.  At least they'd still be cheaper than a C-hog.

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2003, 07:14:35 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2003, 07:57:06 AM »
gotta agree that limiting choices is not a good answer.  the real answer will take a lot more effort.  

 An area carved out of the large maps that is for early war only will more than double the variety and add parity while restricting choice the least amount.  seperate resets... same arena.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2003, 12:53:30 PM »
ack ack , I havent got to the point where i get angry about the amount of la7s i see but i have logged off many times because ive flown into fights and had la7 after la7 dive in on me.I love to furball and usually i get quite a few kills but what happens is no matter how well you do eventually the sheer number of la7s means escaping the engagements becomes almost impossible.It gets boring and forces me to play in a very 'ready to run' style.It gets old and im bored with it.when i get lucky enough to find a fight with a rare type its a real boost for me.Suddenly AH is fun again.

With the present arena its the same thing over and over. I think the MA has actually become a completely different place lately because of the massed ranks of niks and la7s and spits etc.I used to like fighting them because whatever else, it was a different challenge to fight hordes of la7s.Its just that im getting bored with them.I've learned how to fight them and i know how to pull tricks to avoid them BUT thats only if im not being chased by several dozen at a time! :).

I dont want them removed id just like to see some other planes flying around so i can have some different types of fights.I dont agree with restricting use of any aircraft on the grounds that someone doesnt like it, but i think if the arena is getting to the point where it stagnates into samey gameplay its a good thing and a refreshing change when HTC does something to change the arena around.

When HTC perked the f4Uc AH immediately changed.For months it was a great new learning experience.Now the La7 Spit9 n1k2 seem to me to be around just that bit too much.HTC could step in and shuffle the arena around by either perking or using my idea (if the numbers make it viable). The arena would perhaps be filled with more F6F's,F4uD's,190s and P47s as these aircraft are chosen by the newbies.Is this so bad? they are all great aircraft and AS good as the La7s and N1k2's but only if the enviroment they fight in is suited to them. If you throw a newbie in an arena full of expert la7s in an la7 he will die fast and often. If you put that same newbie in the arena in an F6F but he has to fight a different style due to the arena now being populated by a slightly more diverse adversaries like f6f's 205s and 109g6's, he will die fast :D but he will at least get to see what it takes to fly the f6f vs something other than the LA7s etc, perhaps it will be a horde of 205's and spit5's he meets, sure he'll die but at least he gets to see how some of these aircraft fight.

I cant see where this is restricting someone when they are playing for FREE. Most online games let you fly only 1 or 2 types until you subscribe or have severe time restrictions. They need to offer more planes and longer time like AH does but when or IF these new players start to effect the atmosphere of an arena you need to step in i think. Personally I think its time to do so but im not sure if the newbies are around in enough numbers to make this worth while.Perhaps it isnt the newbie trial guys using the la7s?
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2003, 01:29:01 PM »
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gotta agree that limiting choices is not a good answer.  the real answer will take a lot more effort.  

 An area carved out of the large maps that is for early war only will more than double the variety and add parity while restricting choice the least amount.  seperate resets... same arena.
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Laz you gotta get into map making or at least draw out your ideas for HTC to make them.HT did in fact ask people to submit ideas, I think they have shown they are willing to accept player maps openly.

I have had some rows with you inthe past but i have recently started to actually listen to what you suggest and i find im beginning to agree or at least like some of your ideas.

I really like your split era arena idea but it needs a map to show how it could work,

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2003, 02:22:33 PM »
hazed.... think how much grief you would have saved yourself if you had merely said in the beggining..... "lazs said it so even tho it doesn't sound right to me I will eventually agree so I think I will just agree right now."

alternately... think what a wonderful place the world would be if everyone did one simple thing every morning... If everyone just started the day saying (and really thinking it)  "what can I do to make lazs's life better today?"

I can't make anything on a puter but geeze... how tough a concept is carving out the bottom 1/3 of the huge maps and ringing that with a 40k mountain range and 2-3 sectors of no mans land?

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2003, 02:59:22 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
gotta agree that limiting choices is not a good answer.  the real answer will take a lot more effort.  

 An area carved out of the large maps that is for early war only will more than double the variety and add parity while restricting choice the least amount.  seperate resets... same arena.
lazs

 How difficult is it to go to DA if you just want to furball ONLY? That`s what it is for.  Take the "sister" squad with you and have a ball. Or you could do what the true furballer does and furball in the MA without all the whining.  Plenty enough of everything for everybody.
  Your always posting that the only reason someone participates in strat or anything other than your definition of the furballl is to get attention. For the life of me  I can`t figure out why you would want to play the way you play in the MA unless it`s for attention. The MA is set up for complete gameplay, DA for duels , furballs ONLY, etc. Your old"over and over" again whines are realy stale bud.
  Get used to the big maps, they are there to stay.
 Get used to MA gameplay , it`s there to stay.
  You try hide  behind the "furballer" label. What you do is far from what the furballer does in the MA. Swapping kills with some suckers don`t feed the bulldog Humpy.
Play the game , quit whining, and get real.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2003, 03:57:29 PM »
Sharky looks right, looks left, crouches getting ready to run............RPS --------------> zoom

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2003, 06:21:01 PM »
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90421

Double-Thread!

Give two-weekers all rides for free except 262s.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2003, 07:18:05 PM »
Limitations and restrictions can sometimes actually achieve the totality of freedom itself, for the common good.

 Laissez-faire maybe the most hyped economical theory of the ages, but at least it doesn't work in AH. The "controlled economy" initiated by HT to perk the C-hog, has led to reasonable increase in diversity and fun levels at the same time.

 It's not always the individual who has the problem. Convincing a person to change the way he feels about the problems of a given environment, will always be a temporary solution.

 You can tell one guy to lighten up, don't take things seriously, enjoy it as a game, it doesn't matter if there are only few planes used(as long as I'm shooting them down) and etc etc.. But there's always bound to be someone else who comes around to express discontent about things.

 Why? Because, problems persist until they are solved.

 Telling the individual to close his eyes on the problems of the given environment - that's the real "cop out". It's not like we're living the real world here. If we are unable, and are to be discouraged to request a change in a mere game[/I] into something closer to the idealis, then by Sweat Jesious, that's depressing.

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2003, 07:52:07 PM »
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When HTC perked the f4Uc AH immediately changed.For months it was a great new learning experience.

 Now the La7 Spit9 n1k2 seem to me to be around just that bit too much.HTC could step in and shuffle the arena around by either perking or using my idea (if the numbers make it viable).

 The arena would perhaps be filled with more F6F's,F4uD's,190s and P47s as these aircraft are chosen by the newbies.Is this so bad?


 Nope, it's not a bad thing at all.

 From what I've analyzed, the emphasis on the "big four" is a natural thing. The overused king of the hill has been overthrown, and now those who thrived under its shadow finally shows its face. Spare the eloquency and simply put, the planes that had always had a potential of overuse, but was unnoticed due to the Chog scourge, is now being recognized.

 Well actually, "was being" recognized in about the one year period after the Chog was perked. In Tour 29 the current tendencies of plane usage have first shown its face, and currently the "new adaptation phase" is complete. (There's more on this analysis - tracking down usage levels and interpreting what they mean in AH -  in the link posted in my sig.)

 Some say pointing out this problem is a bad thing. They say the whining about the next best planes will always go on.

 Not only is that totally untrue, but it's also misleading. I believe there's a specific point where usage levels can be called "various" - for me, that is 2~3% in claimed kills for each plane.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2003, 09:21:12 PM »
sorry hazed , this is whine thread
u just show what HTC should not do it

if u not need peoples fly they like  and push all newbies with poor skills in to secound or 3rd line aircraft soon we will have here same numbers of players on arena like in WB

Newbie have only chance to kill somone in furball flying high performance aircraftf with plenty of bullets.
When they familiarise with one plane, can go on secound level and learn others.

Id like to see experimet, 2 main arenas one with RPS /but planes not limited to war sides like on warbirds/ and secound with current we have. Just for one month to see how many players will play RPS. I bet peoples chose current system we have