Author Topic: Avoiding an arena full of the same planes.... (Read 920 times)

hazed- · « **Reply #15 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:29:30 PM »

well it seems people dont want them perked
they dont want 2 weekers to be made to fly other types
they dont want strat flyers
they dont want bombers to have an impact
they dont want to have to fly more than a sector

Im asking for HTC to try to encourage a more diverse range of aircraft in order for me, the customer, to have a more diverse range of battles.Apparently there are those that agree and those that dont.Those that agree are generally willing to try anything to give us some more rare types flying around from perking the top four to unperking the tempest,ta152s etc , ANYTHING ! just please do something. The ones that dont agree are unwilling to accept other customers are not 100% happy, the constantly refuse to give an inch even when like this idea it doesnt even affect them.All those that so far have said they dont like the idea are subscribers yet they still act as though they wont be able to fly them and so AH will be ruined. yeah just like it was ruined when we perked the f4Uc.It astounds me how they refuse to believe its possible to get bored with fighting endless hordes of spits niks and la7s.personally i cant understand how after all this time with the arena like it is they havent got bored.

hazed- · « **Reply #16 on:** July 03, 2003, 09:36:10 PM »

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Originally posted by ramzey

Newbie have only chance to kill somone in furball flying high performance aircraftf with plenty of bullets.
When they familiarise with one plane, can go on secound level and learn others.

Id like to see experimet, 2 main arenas one with RPS /but planes not limited to war sides like on warbirds/ and secound with current we have. Just for one month to see how many players will play RPS. I bet peoples chose current system we have

for one thing this arguement is flawed. If the arena wasnt full of LA7s and niks and spit9's they wouldnt NEED to fly late war aircraft.If the arena had more 'second line' planes up the newbies would have more chance to live while flying the mid war planes.

As for your experiment with RPS Id agree most wont use it.People stick with the MA because its already full of people.Often they dont try other arenas because 10 or 20 is too few for them.If however the main arena is down for some reason and everyone goes to the CT most people begin to really enjoy it.
I havent asked for a huge thing here.Like i said once we have less of the top 4 around the dynamics of the arena change.It might be for the better or it might be worse, we'll never know unless things are tried

ramzey · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2003, 06:07:31 AM »

notice one thing

when newbie enter MA, he can try every plane but after couple deads he need soething what can balance his low skills.
Most knowed and first newbie question is "what is fastest fighter?" So, if u disable top 4 planes whats next on the line?
109g10 with mk108, La5, Fw190D.
If u disable /perk/ next month top 4 planes again not much left.
And this is going to nowhere

imo everything what u complain about is team work, flying alone just have no sesse. "Voulch or be vulched" this is MA motto and allways was. Strategic aspect on MA just not exist due players chose, not by HTC foult. Did u care how many your country have? im not. Only only thing about all players care is radar.

I see only one thing whichone can change it. Other score system
NOw we have only statystic and ranks. And we need real scoring system. Who depends not form how many kills u got per hour or % of hits. Anyway i not understand current rank system and looks like not much peoples understand them too.

If we have score system who promote pilots flying crapiest planes we can have more diferent planes flying around. Beucose flying late war planes can give u more points only when u perform really good

ramzey

Swoop · « **Reply #18 on:** July 04, 2003, 06:16:50 AM »

I'd do it the other way around.

Instead of locking planes away from newbies, I'd give em all the planes for free, including the perk ones. I have no problem at all with a total newbie flying around in an LA7, a Tempest or even a 262, all they're gonna do is spray and pray at D2.0 and then auger........let em get on with it I say. It'll be a laugh. After two weeks they're back in the same boat as the rest of us, paying for stuff.

Then I'd mildly perk all the high end stuff. Just 5 pts or so: LA7s, Spit IXs, N1Ks, 190D9s & P51Ds.

Totally different arena.

ramzey · « **Reply #19 on:** July 04, 2003, 06:29:12 AM »

why somone who not pay for game should have better then we have?

I just cancel my account and will go to fly on trials only to enjoy spit 14 rides

how u deal with that? it will be better for HTC?

oboe · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2003, 07:47:50 AM »

"Banning" some feature of the game, for any part of the player base, I think is a step in the wrong direction-- especially when the player is new and is there to find out if he likes the game.

I've been following these various threads about aircraft overuse and proposed solutions and one odd thing I've noticed is that some people confuse "perking" a plane with removing it from play.
Perking a plane does not remove it; it simply forces people to make a choice when they want to fly- are they going to risk losing perk points to use this particular plane? Many people say "no" and so the overall usage for that a/c goes down.

I don't think an arena so dominated by 4 planes is what HTC had in mind when the gave us so many aircraft types to fly with, but they already have a system in place that can solve the problem. That they do nothing is an indication to me they don't see a problem. I've never even heard Pyro comment on the situation on the BB?

So far perk costs have been significant for each perked plane. We have yet to see what a cheap (2-3 pts) perk plane's usage would be. I think it'd be a great experiment to try with the perk system. After all, HTC said they intended to try different things with it when they implemented it. So far they have done very little experimenting.

Some people claim there are only 50 or so pilots who think the "big 4" are a problem in the arena. I suspect its a lot more than that, and I wish HTC would put in an online survey question along the lines of "Would you be a favor of a small perk cost on the Spit IX, LA-7, P-51D, and N1K2 as an experiment to promote arena aircraft diversity?" That way they could hear from every flyer in the game, not just those who are active on the BB.

Seeker · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2003, 09:59:25 AM »

Hazed, the Spit IX is not a late war aircraft.

You have, however, been trying to find a way to pull people out of Spits and into LW machines for all the time I've been here.

Isn't it time you gave up?

You had your chance to make a significant contribution to AH's development, and blew it. If you had any shame you'd shut up now.

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2003, 10:07:19 AM »

kwea has it... there needs to be some structure other than a free for all if you want to have any variety at all... given the free for all you will always have a very few choices.

The trick is to get the variet and, more importantly, parity with the least restrictions possible. Area arena is the fairest... closer fields is the eaisiest.

jakal... you are a hypocrite and (aparently) an idiot. it is you who is swapping deaths.... my K/D is mediocre but it is better than yours... It appears that you are doing what you accuse me of doing... you are simply swapping your death for some goal or another. It also apears that you are doing it badly. Those things must be taken into consideration when we listen to your drivel.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 04, 2003, 10:10:57 AM »

Oh... area arena puts planes with like performance in competion without the burden of uber planes bothering them.. that promotes the use of many heretofor unused planes.... parity... variety..

closer fields allows areas within the arena but they are vertical. the slower early planes will be lower and the later ones higher... Alt is the equalizer. There will be some interaction but not so much that everyone can't find what they want.
lazs

Ecke-109- · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2003, 02:42:42 PM »

Nice idea, Hazed

every shareware has its limitations. So, why not the 2week trialers? And as long as the newbies only can do HO, they dont need any top-plane.
Some other guys too.

Ecke

vorticon · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:15:58 AM »

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Originally posted by mjolnir
I'm going to do it. I'm going to say the dreaded P word. If you want to limit newbies from using those planes, throw a tiny perk cost on them (I'm talking something like 2 or 3 points). Just enough so that if they catch a clue at all, they'll be able to use them by the end of their two week trial, but they won't start off in them. Hell, if they're a little competent, they can probably crash one or two in their two weeks and be one their way to earning another. At 2 points, none of the "vets" of the MA are going to mind the cost of a pony or La7. At least they'd still be cheaper than a C-hog.

i love the way you call la7 flyers "vets"...

only reason they fly the spit is because its the only plane theyve heard of at that point (maybe p51 to but that isnt as easy to fly)

how do you propose they get these points??? at that point they cant fly ANYTHING other than the spit (im assuming the original post is referring to the real newbies not the ones coming over from a diff. game)...hell it took my my first 2 weeks to get good enough just to FLY the blasted things...another month to get my first kill and another 5 months to get past the 5 kill point...(granted i fly with the mouse so it changes things a bit)

im not even sure what the problem with these planes is...they fly what they want...you fly what you want...and for the most part you shoot them down...as far as im concerned those "top 4" planes are some of the worst planes in the game...

of course this has no bearing on the game since i dont have a subscription...just another pointless rant designed to up my post count about to be shot to peices

oboe · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:55:26 PM »

If they enabled only the early war fighters - A6M2, P-40B, Spit I, Hurri I, Me109E, F4F-4 at the vehicle bases in the central ring of the Trinity map, would that basically be a form of the "area" arena that Laz would like to try?

Might also be another interesting experiment...

bj229r · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:18:09 PM »

La7 wouldnt such an uber plane if it ripped in 500 mph dive like it ought to.

hazed- · « **Reply #28 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:23:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Seeker
Hazed, the Spit IX is not a late war aircraft.

You have, however, been trying to find a way to pull people out of Spits and into LW machines for all the time I've been here.

Isn't it time you gave up?

You had your chance to make a significant contribution to AH's development, and blew it. If you had any shame you'd shut up now.

seeker i find your attitude and delusional ideas on what im trying to do offensive.
As for me 'Blowing it' you have no idea of the reasons behind me stopping being a CM. I have been through more in the last 3 years than you have let me assure you. Due to my health im stuck indoors a damn sight more than Id like to be. AH is a godsend for getting rid of boredom.I do not only fly one type of aircraft , check my stats. I do not belong to a LW squad and if you asked my squadies theyd tell you the same.. I DO LIKE TO FLY LW and i use them in missions but i also use every other type so how you suddenly decide im on some campaign to lure unsuspecting newbies to the dark side of the LW I think is hilarious and obsurd.My assumption is that you live in a f&*king dream world.I play AH, I like it, but unfortunately Im bored with certain aspects which ive tried to explain above.Seems to me only you have attacked me personally for it, others have merely debated the proposal, and i think you should appologise but i suspect you wont.Perhaps i didnt put my veiws down as eloquently as oboe has (just above a few replys) but i am entitled to speak my mind.I am not being rude and demanding change. I am merely trying to think of ways HTC could tackle what i see as a problem.Perhaps HTC doesnt see it the same way, unfortunately i have no idea.

I dont need you jumping on my back thinking the kind of nonsense that you do and where do you get off trying to control what i do on the BB's? I think your new CM status has gone to your head seeker.Youre merely one of many CMs that have come and gone for many different reasons.Im not about to discuss my reasons on here. Youre not the internet police no matter how 'big' you think you are.Why dont you mind YOUR own business?

oboe you said all I could say in your last reply concerning perks and other ideas and made me realise your right about what you said of HTC, it is entirely possible they dont see it as a problem. I'll leave this thread here as seeker has managed to leave a rather sour taste in my mouth. shame theres not a face for 'pissed off' eh?

P.s. seeker if there was such a thing as an official complaint that i could make to HTC I would make it, you just jumped in with size 9 boots and you know nothing about me and you have offended me whether you realise it or not.Im also very suprised by it.I have never been anything but friendly to you in the past so where did this crap come from?

hazed- · « **Reply #29 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:45:42 PM »

oh seeker and im aware the spit IX is not late war. Im british for gods sake

It was merely an example that is reflected by todays arena. If you read the thread it ays top 4 each tour.This refers to the fact THEY WILL CHANGE each tour or so.not least because newbies would be flying other types and so would affect usage numbers.Use your brain and fair reasoning and think out the idea.Read OBOES post above if you have something against me which makes you want to disagree.The idea isnt to capture newbies for 'medical experiments at hazed castle' lol