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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2003, 12:46:44 PM »
But it does show he was a mindless robot.

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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2003, 01:01:52 PM »
I'm curious Boroda, did you guys get the wild influx of Americans into Russia like the influx of Russians we got in America when the Soviet Union crumbled?
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« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2003, 01:11:22 PM »
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I'm curious Boroda, did you guys get the wild influx of Americans into Russia like the influx of Russians we got in America when the Soviet Union crumbled?


Of course they did! The poor guys literally had to build walls around the communist countries to keep the capitalist pig refugee scum hordes out...

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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2003, 01:25:36 PM »
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I'm curious Boroda, did you guys get the wild influx of Americans into Russia ?


The Russian word for these people is "Tourist"

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« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2003, 01:37:41 PM »
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The Russian word for these people is "Tourist"


Here, we're calling 'em neighbors. My youngest son just became engaged to marry a girl that came from Russia to live in the US when she was 10, guess they're not all bad. ;)
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« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2003, 03:56:20 PM »
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But it does show he was a mindless robot.


it shows he was well trained and did his job.  the responsability is on the shoulders of the man who gave the order not the pilot.

lets turn the tables a little bit.  you are a U.S. fighter pilot.  it's early morning september 11th, 2001.  you get a call to engage a civilian comercial airliner. you are told to fire on it.  should you be the 'mindless drone' who does what he's told, or do you decide to think for yourself and refuse, maybe discuse it for awhile, have your superiors prove to you why it needs done before you fire.  even if they eventually convince you to do your job, your hesitation may have allowed the plane to get over the city so even if you do finally do your job it's too late.

I come from a military family (dad did 22 years), and even though I didn't choose that path (18 years of 'basic training' was enough for me) I understand enough about chain of comand to know that at some point you have to trust your comanders to give you lawful orders and they trust you to follow them.  

if this guy was ordered to shoot it's what he should have done.  I don't know of any military that issues orders then lets the men vote to follow them or not.

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« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2003, 04:02:59 PM »
BTW, what plane did they (Soviets) use to bring down the KAL 007?

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« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2003, 04:29:45 PM »
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boroda, a couple of corrections-

1. I don't have a link to the us/china incident but if I remember correctly (And I'm fairly sure I do) the incident happened over international waters not Chinese air space.  if it had been over Chinese airspace they would have used guns to bring the plane down.

2. I read the whole story in the link. And I basing this solely on the info you provided

 nowhere does it say that anybody thought the ship was rammed intentionally.  it says that the ship was suspected in a fatal collision, and excess crew members where removed from the ship so they would not interfere in the investigation, (or possibly destroy evidence or so the ship couldn't try to leave).    No one was arrested until they tried to leave the country.

all these are perfectly reasonable actions when a vehicle is suspected in a fatal collision. Impounding a vehicle so it can be examined is standard in fatal accidents, even when the driver is not suspected to be at fault.  securing evidence is reasonable and necessary for carrying out an investigation. and it's also reasonable to arrest someone for trying to leave the country while they are being investigated.

one more thing, it said the captain was being charged with manslaughter, so they apparently didn't think it was intentional. manslaughter is causing someone’s death through carelessness or neglect. murder is the charge when they think you did it on purpose.


exactly.

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« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2003, 04:39:00 PM »
On the seas, the larger, less manoeverable/slower ships have right of way over any smaller craft.

I should think the same rules apply in the air Boroda; your analogy is in fact self-defeating.
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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2003, 09:43:58 PM »
Nobody told him to shoot it down - he was ordered to force the plane to land.

Another thing is the ground control guys had no idea it was a civil type plane.  You see the murdering son a bich communist blooodthirsty sadist degenerate didnt think it was imporant to tell his superiours that he confirmid visally of it being a civil 747.

So he was a mindless robot who only wanted to kill the western capitalist devils of his propaganda songs.

FYI to this day he is a devoted communist.

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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2003, 09:57:41 PM »
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Hmm... I don't know, but it's possible that Chinese pliot had orders not to use his weapons against Orion. I hope you understand that there is some difference between shooting the recon plane and ramming it. In some cases "accident" is a more "safe" explaination then trying to persuade "international community" that they had (or thought they had) the right to shoot the enemy....

In USSR sometimes interceptor pilots got the orders to "push the invader out of Soviet airspace", without permission to use weapons.  AFAIK such things happened with Soviet Tu-95s too, when NATO fighters collided with them trying to make them leave the area around CV groups.



Then OBVIOUSLY then this is the P3's fault for not moving their slow moving, less agile plane out of the way and not the government that uses airplanes as bumber cars.

Die a slow and painfull death you tard.  May you get lepresy of the noodle.  May maggots infest your bowels.  May Rosanne O'Donnell sit upon your face.

If you defend this position then you are as stupid those who use it and deserve to be "pushed out of the human race airspace" in the same manner.  Might I suggest a nice car ride over bridge rail, you trolling descendent of solid waste purge from apes.

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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2003, 12:06:21 AM »
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BTW, what plane did they (Soviets) use to bring down the KAL 007?


I am not 100% positive, but I do believe it was an Su-15 "Flagon"


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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2003, 12:07:31 AM »
Yea it was an Su15.. The evil passenger liner Boeing 747 rammed not one but two of its missles - right Boroda?

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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2003, 01:49:20 AM »
Wow baroda...not a day to be an evil country defender

not talking about all that innuendo that you and weazel pull out

just simply you suck

Skuzzy take note....personal attack, personal aaatttaaacccckkkk

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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2003, 02:16:14 AM »
Is Su-15/22 equivalent of F-106? I think Both planes cant  turn well in dogfights.