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Offline Sikboy

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« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2003, 10:06:31 AM »
If you ever get a chance to watch the HBO movie "Tailspin" you should. It is the best explaination of what happened that I've ever seen.

And Grun... knowing that it's a 747 isn't the same as knowing that its full of people. Most of our support planes (the C-135s and E-3s) are based on the Boing 707 airframe. The P-3 is based on the lockheed l.188 Electra airframe. Most if not all modern airforces use civilian airframes in such a manner. A 747 packed to the gills with electronic collection and telemetry equiptment would be some scary ****.

It certainly should not have gone down the way it did, but in the end it was nothing more than a tragic accident. There are claims on both sides of intentional misconduct. That the plane was known to be full of passengers (and presumably the russians shot it down just to hear their screams) and the Russians counter with **** like the pilot was working for the US government to test Soviet response times, and to elicit priceless inteligence on Soviet interception techniques. Personally I don't believe any of it. We fly intel missions in the area all the time. They react to them, we give them the finger. It was the natural order of things at the time. It doesn't take much to go over the edge when you ride it for too long.

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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2003, 01:07:17 PM »
There was nothing accidental about it - the guy knew it was a paasenger plane. He knew it was not electronic spy plane- he came very close and made a good visual inspection of it befor dropping back and firing his missles.  It was tragic no doubt but no accident - it was simply the way a brainwashed mindless bllodthirsty sadist communist was programmed to behave. Ask yourself this, do you have any doubt that our own comrtade commissar Boroda would have done the same thing if he was the pilot os the Su15?

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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2003, 01:30:09 PM »
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Ask yourself this, do you have any doubt that our own comrtade commissar Boroda would have done the same thing if he was the pilot os the Su15?


And even worse, had it been me in an F-15 out of Elmendorf I imagine I would have done the same thing.

It looks like we're going to have to agree to dissagree.

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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2003, 01:41:20 PM »
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And even worse, had it been me in an F-15 out of Elmendorf I imagine I would have done the same thing.

It looks like we're going to have to agree to dissagree.

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With no specific order from your superiors to shoot the plane down?

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2003, 02:31:08 PM »
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With no specific order from your superiors to shoot the plane down?


according to transcripts at http://www.rescue007.org/shootdown.htm he was given the order 5 times before he got the shot off.

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« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2003, 05:00:20 PM »
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With no specific order from your superiors to shoot the plane down?


If you are a western pilot.... YES!

Trust me.

Well, it depends to the ROE, but anyway, in a scramble on a bandit, if he dont change course and comply with the orders, generaly the pilot have the automatic authorization to shoot.