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Offline gatso

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Royal Navy Carriers 'Too expensive'
« on: July 14, 2003, 09:25:18 AM »
BAe need slapping around, useless bloody company run by penny pushing idiots. They win the contract for the two brand spanking new carriers that are slated to take JSF and then move the goalposts claiming the cost has gone up £1.2 billion since January of this year!

The new Astute class submarine mess mentioned in the article is almost as bad, BAe involved people from electric boat (The Groton lot? going from memory) a few months ago because they were so far over budget and behind schedule.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1057562361020

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2003, 09:27:21 AM »
We make better boats... Tom Clancy told me so.

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what'd you expect?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2003, 09:44:30 AM »
Anyone else see the irony of complaining about cost overruns for an aircraft carrier when they selected not a ship builder but an Aerospace/Electrical Company as the lead contractor?

Heck, the MOD is sounding more and more like the DOD everyday.

Or is it just me?:confused:

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2003, 09:48:40 AM »
war is 'Too expensive' , we must work for world peace

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2003, 09:52:21 AM »
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war is 'Too expensive' , we must work for world peace


As long as it ain't whilred peas, I'm okay with it!

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2003, 10:04:31 AM »
What are whilred peas? Whirled peas? What are those?

BAe Systems is an amalgamation of several companies - although I'm guessing it will subcontract the actual building of the ships to a ship building company.
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2003, 10:04:56 AM »
wtf... 2.8bn goes up to 4bn, while the capacity gets reduced from 48 to 20 planes!?

I'd boot some arses over there.

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 10:06:22 AM »
Wait till you see the Cost to bring the next gen of super carriers that will replace the Nimitz Class.

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 12:54:10 PM »
You know accountants are running the show when they name a sub class as 'Astute'. Might as well be 'Intangible'-class subs and have done with.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2003, 01:00:44 PM »
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You know accountants are running the show when they name a sub class as 'Astute'. Might as well be 'Intangible'-class subs and have done with.


Heheh, good one Dowdy!
Sound to me like Enron Accounting!:D :D :D

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2003, 02:39:30 PM »
Almost all major projects of any kind end up with huge cost overruns.  It would be newsworthy if these carriers could be built at the original cost estimates.

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2003, 02:49:30 PM »
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You know accountants are running the show when they name a sub class as 'Astute'. Might as well be 'Intangible'-class subs and have done with.


ROFL...clap..clap

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2003, 02:49:47 PM »
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You know accountants are running the show when they name a sub class as 'Astute'. Might as well be 'Intangible'-class subs and have done with.


The other two of the 1st batch currently planned are better: Ambush and Artful. Should be very capable boats if they ever get out of dry dock.

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2003, 03:04:41 PM »
im more amazed that someone on these boards actually reads the finacial times.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2003, 04:14:11 PM »
Heh... I learnt about intangibles from Curval on this board when he described the guy who said 'I don't buy intangibles'. :)

I'm sure they will be capable ships - modesty and understatement are good, but 'astute' is a little too modest for my liking. I prefer the old mythology based names anyway.
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