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« on: July 22, 2003, 11:27:21 AM »
Wow...lifted from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92351,00.html

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WASHINGTON — The music industry has won at least 871 federal subpoenas against computer users suspected of illegally sharing music files (search) on the Internet, with roughly 75 new subpoenas being approved each day, U.S. court officials said Friday.

The effort represents early steps in the music industry's contentious plan to file civil lawsuits aimed at crippling online piracy.

Subpoenas reviewed by The Associated Press show the industry compelling some of the largest Internet providers, such as Verizon Communications Inc. and Comcast Cable Communications Inc., and some universities to identify names and mailing addresses for users on their networks known online by nicknames such as "fox3j," "soccerdog33," "clover77" or "indepunk74."

The Recording Industry Association of America (search) has said it expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within the next eight weeks. U.S. copyright laws (search) allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but the RIAA has said it would be open to settlement proposals from defendants.

The campaign comes just weeks after U.S. appeals court rulings requiring Internet providers to readily identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files. The 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act permits music companies to force Internet providers to turn over the names of suspected music pirates upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk's office, without a judge's signature required.

In some cases, subpoenas cite as few as five songs as "representative recordings" of music files available for downloading from these users. The trade group for the largest music labels, the Washington-based RIAA, previously indicated its lawyers would target Internet users who offer substantial collections of MP3 song files but declined to say how many songs might qualify for a lawsuit.

"We would have to look at historic trends, but that is a very high number," said Alan Davidson of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a civil liberties group that has argued against the subpoenas. "It doesn't sound like they're just going after a few big fish."

Music fans are fighting back with technology, using new software designed specifically to stymie monitoring of their online activities by the major record labels.

A new version of "Kazaa Lite," free software that provides access to the service operated by Sharman Networks Ltd., can prevent anyone from listing all music files on an individual's machine and purports to block scans from Internet addresses believed to be associated with the RIAA.

Many of the subpoenas reviewed by the AP identified songs from the same few artists, including Avril Lavigne, Snoop Dogg and Michael Jackson. It was impossible to determine whether industry lawyers were searching the Internet specifically for songs by these artists or whether they were commonly popular among the roughly 60 million users of file-sharing services.

The RIAA's subpoenas are so prolific that the U.S. District Court in Washington, already suffering staff shortages, has been forced to reassign employees from elsewhere in the clerk's office to help process paperwork, said Angela Caesar-Mobley, the clerk's operations manager.

The RIAA declined to comment on the numbers of subpoenas it issued.

"We are identifying substantial infringers and we're going to whatever entity is providing (Internet) service for that potential infringer," said Matt Oppenheim, the group's senior vice president of business and legal affairs. "From there we'll be in a position to begin bringing lawsuits."

A spokeswoman for the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts said the clerk's office here was "functioning more like a clearing house, issuing subpoenas for all over the country." Any civil lawsuits would likely be transferred to a different jurisdiction, spokeswoman Karen Redmond said.

Verizon, which has fought the RIAA over the subpoenas with continued legal appeals, said it received at least 150 subpoenas during the last two weeks. There were no subpoenas on file sent to AOL Time Warner Inc., the nation's largest Internet provider and also parent company of Warner Music Group. Earthlink Inc., another of the largest Internet providers, said it has received only three new subpoenas.

Depaul University in Chicago was among the few colleges that received such subpoenas; the RIAA asked Depaul on July 2 to track down a user known as "anon39023" who was allegedly offering at least eight songs.

There was some evidence the threat of an expensive lawsuit was discouraging online music sharing. Nielsen NetRatings, which monitors Internet usage, earlier this week reported a decline for traffic on the Kazaa network of one million users, with similarly large drops across other services.

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2003, 11:37:35 AM »
So how long before the RIAA comes after me for downloading "Jungle Love" in 2001?

Seriously, if they see enough cash from prosecuting these current cases, whats to stop them from coming after people who downloaded songs months or years ago?

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2003, 12:12:35 PM »
bah.....

Hackers will take care of this *****hit.....

do not dispair....there's change in the air.

there is a backdoor somewhere....:D

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2003, 01:01:19 PM »
That's 871 less customers, with roughly 75 new customers lost every day in the US.

Quick thinking, RIAAman!
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2003, 01:08:47 PM »
Oh they can go screw.

I would not buy another CD if Jesus Christ recorded is himself...

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2003, 02:09:40 PM »
Muck,

I'm surprised 40Dogs hasnt posted on this...does he still own a big franchise of music stores?

I'd be curious what his thoughts are on the Mp3 downloaders and such....how its effecting record sales, etc.  I mean, I dont buy music CDs for $17.99 that have 2 songs I like on them.  Sorry, I'm just speaking with my wallet and saying "too much"

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2003, 02:17:29 PM »
When I was young I used to record songs from the radio. Now we have cable channels with no commercials you can record from too. Did recording songs from the radio have an effect on sales then? I mean, did they stop songs from being played on the radio? If someone really wants a song, they can get it anywhere, not just the internet. I think the music industry is shooting itself in the foot.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2003, 02:25:18 PM »
For those of you that think it's your God-given right to steal copyrighted music, how do you feel about people stealing (downloading) software?

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2003, 06:28:18 PM »
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For those of you that think it's your God-given right to steal copyrighted music, how do you feel about people stealing (downloading) software?
hell yeah...
im NOT paying $600 for adobe to play around and make gunsights for AH.

not to mention i want to make a pdf of something for easier transport.

what about Windoze... well i dont have a home office, dont have $600, and dont use any of the MS office products for anything other than personal use.
HTF am i supposed to open a funny powerpoint presentaion joke somone sent me? or a spreadsheet that my boss emails me to look @?

i use versions of these softwares and others for personal use. it's f***** BS that if you want to do any decent photo editing for yourself you gotta have a 6 figure salary.


i do have a different opinion of busines use though. if i was a commercial graph artist or something and made a profit from using the software you dmn right i'd pay for it.

oh well my 2˘ (this topic touches a nerve with me lol sry)
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »
Lol like they will see dime one of profit through this ... like anon3964whatever has $$.... if he gets sued... umm .. Canada?  Stupid record companys .. gonna go broke doing this stupid crap

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2003, 10:01:34 PM »
If the music companies that the RIAA represents are so upset about this, why can't they convince their parent companies to stop manufacturing all of those MP3 players, etc, that people are using to listen to those songs with?

The only songs I have ever downloaded were songs that that the record companies have never made available here (The US) or were upcoming songs leaked onto the internet from CD's which I buy as soon as they are released anyway.

This is merely the dinosaur in it's death throes tyring to prevent the world from changing by using laywers to plug the dyke (Not a bad idea! ;) -) Adapt or die.

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2003, 10:10:08 PM »
There are several peer network applications that keep your IP anonymous available or in the pipeline.

Once again the RIAA will be stumped by technology. Oh dear I guess some rap stars will just have to cut back on their mercedes, mansions, hookers, and coke this year and focus on actually writing some real music instead of regurgitating hits from 20 years ago and putting mindless drivel for lyrics over the top of it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2003, 10:44:52 PM »
Funny, when I was spending all those years buying CD's at the high price CD's used to be...I don't remember the Record companys having too much of an interest in my concience or what I did with it.

Nor do I remember any cashed up record company stepping in the replace of all those CD's some salamander swiped in the great CD heist of 2000.

So forgive me if it doesn't bother me at all , especially seein how as already pointed out, they still have enough money to flood the legal dept.'s looking for kaaza users.

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2003, 10:48:48 PM »
Once a song is played at a concert, on the radio,  etc it belongs to everyone who heard it & walks away humming the tune.

That song should then belong to the public domain.

You can not sell that tune & make a profit off it without paying royalties.

When copyright laws were written there was no way to copy a song exactly like we can now, much less share it with more than a handfull of people.

The relevent point however is that copyright only protects you if someone else is selling your product without your permision/royalties being paid.

However  no one on peer to peer sharing is selling anything.
Its time for a new standard for music.
Take the big corporations back out of the mix. Put the music back in the hands of the people.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2003, 01:37:13 AM »
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Once a song is played at a concert, on the radio,  etc it belongs to everyone who heard it & walks away humming the tune.


Sorry, but copyright ownership does not transfer to the listener even if the listener did pay for the cd, concert ticket, etc.



That song should then belong to the public domain.


It'll be interesting how much music will be available if no profits motives were involved. Might be a boring, quiet kind of place.


When copyright laws were written there was no way to copy a song exactly like we can now, much less share it with more than a handfull of people.


Copyright laws were introduced to protect the musicians, artists, authors, etc from others stealing their works.


The relevent point however is that copyright only protects you if someone else is selling your product without your permision/royalties being paid.


So if someone takes your music and posts it on the internet for free downloads, how do you really think your sales are going to go?
LOL, not many people are going to pay for something that they can get for free. Why would they?


However  no one on peer to peer sharing is selling anything.
Its time for a new standard for music.


But they are causing real losses. If the record companies were getting increased sales based on free downloads they'd be promoting file sharing. They see the writing on the wall. Do nothing about this type of copyright infringement and there will be no music indusrty as we know it (LOL, to some that's a good thing ;)  ). With the increased user base of broadband subscribers, I'd bet sales will continue to dwindle. Most downloaders believe that there is nothing wrong with file sharing and believe it to be legal. The music industry is fighting for their survival (they aren't hurting....yet), but they know that to not do anything will result in practically most one with a broadband connect would be downloading their music and stop buying it.


Take the big corporations back out of the mix. Put the music back in the hands of the people.
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LOL, sounds like some socialist rhetoric. Let someone else do the hard work so you can have something for free?
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