Music Industry Wins 871 Subpoenas Against Internet Users

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
Tape recorders didn't destroy the music industry because as you have shown, piracy involved at least some work and a little but of effort.  Piracy today takes a mouse click and a couple of seconds.  It's easy.

What does it matter how hard it was?(BTW, it was pretty easy) You are not making any sense.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
So Fishu, if you did not have the money to afford a car, it would justify stealing one?

No, what would the cars owner drive then?

Let's say I download an MP3 song off the net, which is part of a pay album: does it make the publisher unable to use the particular song?

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Fishu
No, what would the cars owner drive then?

Pretend you stole it from a car manufacturer.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
Pretend you stole it from a car manufacturer.

Could they re-create the parts from thin air without additional cost to cover the loss?

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Fishu
Could they re-create the parts from thin air without additional cost to cover the loss?

No, but even if they could, how would the car manufacturer pay for the original cost of developing and manufacturing the car?

[g00b]

It is not our, nor our governments job to protect anyone's revenue stream. Our economy is rapidly changing in a way that has never happened before, the sooner everyone learns to embrace the changes, be flexable and adaptable, the sooner we can actually make progress. Only very recently has ANYONE actually tried to make a serious effort with a new business model reflecting our new economy. http://www.apple.com/music/store/  They sold 100,000 songs in the first 24 hours. Hmmm, maybe people are willing to pay a reasonable amount of money for a reasonable service. Normal CD sales give maybe $1 to the actual artist, where do you think the rest of that money goes? I, for one, don't see the need to line the RIAA/MPAA pockets with my money. I'll download the music and if I like it enough, I'll support them by going to a show, buying merchandise, etc...


I do hope everyone realizes that this "piracy hurts the artists" crap, is just that. Piracy hurts the RIAA/MPAA. Good, they deserve a slow, agonizing, painfull death.

[midnight Target]

I'll stop!

When they pry my cd-burner from my cold dead fingers!

[OIO]

"Tape recorders didn't destroy the music industry because as you have shown, piracy involved at least some work and a little but of effort. Piracy today takes a mouse click and a couple of seconds. It's easy."


uhm... 'scuse me but I remember my 5 year old bellybutton being quite capable of tuning my favourite radio station and pressing "record" on the silver colored SONY machine when they played a song i liked.

Didnt take more effort than pushing one button. Waiting for the song? No big difference, today I have to open kazaa, press SEARCH,  type the name of whatever song i want to download, check the download speed of the user sharing it, check the file size to avoid downloading a partial song  or low quality mp3, check the file TYPE im downloading (umm..yeah .doc is 'Rage against the Machine' uh huh), and then FINALLY double click it..

and wait until 500k is downloaded to click preview and check if its the song i wanted not some crap with a different filename.

Easy huh?

[Fishu]

Mickey,

Do you count on anyone, who has taken the car from a manufacturer, to been also have the will and money to pay for the car?

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by g00b
Only very recently has ANYONE actually tried to make a serious effort with a new business model reflecting our new economy. http://www.apple.com/music/store/  They sold 100,000 songs in the first 24 hours.

AND the Apple store only sells to Apple owners AND the Apple store only sells to US customers AND the Apple store doesn't have all the artists (but its the best effort so far). Yet it still sold far more than the studios expected.

Every attempt at a decent online service has been crippled by the music studios.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by SaburoS
I never had Napster on my comp, nor do I haveKazaa, Kazaa lite, or any file sharing software on my comp.
 

Neither do I.

I have a decent CD collection too. But recently I've been getting sick and tired of the music industries attempts to kill the online music BUSINESS. They could have been selling tracks cheaply over the net 3 years ago. But they always cripple the sites with stupid restrictions. IMHO its nothing short of monopolistic. Then theres the follow up with the DMCA and all these other stupid laws they're trying to pass.

SubaruS, how do feel about them trying to limit what you can play your music on? How do you feel about them trying introduce technology where you no longer own the music but have to "pay to play" everytime you listen to a song? Its not fantasy, they are trying to push legislation to force this rubbish on us.

So, I'm voting with my wallet. But I'm no matyr, I'll keep listening to what I want, like it or not.

And as MT said: "I'll stop! When they pry my cd-burner from my cold dead fingers!"

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Fishu
Do you count on anyone, who has taken the car from a manufacturer, to been also have the will and money to pay for the car?

I understand your point.  The person stealing the car probably doesn't have the money to pay for it.  You don't seem to have a problem with this.

My point is that it doesn't justify it.

Originally posted by OIO
Easy huh?

OK, how about easier then?  How difficult would it be to tape record an entire album off of the radio catching one song at a time?  Doing so over the internet is easier.

I am not a supporter of the record companies.  Like Real Estate agents and Travel Agents, I think they are unnecessary middlemen.  But I do not think that stealing copyrighted material is justifiable just because it is doable.

[Sixpence]

What I don't understand is why the music industry has not created their own site to download from. A place where you could download any song in any format for pennies on the dollar.

They could offer specialty CD's from old artists. There are endless possibilities. I think the music industry is going about this the wrong way. Opportunity is knocking and they are locking the door and calling their lawyers to sue it.

[Vulcan]

Because as long as the government keeps propping their monopoly up with facist laws they don't need to.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
OK, how about easier then?  How difficult would it be to tape record an entire album off of the radio catching one song at a time?  Doing so over the internet is easier.

I am not a supporter of the record companies.  Like Real Estate agents and Travel Agents, I think they are unnecessary middlemen.  But I do not think that stealing copyrighted material is justifiable just because it is doable.

The "ease" of piracy only affects the range of users who wish to  record/download/burn music... not whether someone should be billed or expected to pay for it.  From what I gather, you're saying the record companies want to cash in on the effort?

Have you ever recorded something from the radio?