Author Topic: Music Industry Wins 871 Subpoenas Against Internet Users (Read 1830 times)

muckmaw · « **Reply #60 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:23:54 PM »

I don't understand that either.

I would pay .99 to download Jerry Reed's "Eastbound and Down" simply because some schmuck squaddie was singing it last night over vox and I have the damn thing stuck in my head for 2 days now! When was the last time Jerry Reed sold an album???

Meanwhile, here's what RIAA has done to the average moron...me.

I uninstalled Kazaa. Why? Simple. Don't want to get sued for the 140 songs I have, and don't know enough to know what's a safe method for file sharing.

Second, the RIAA has placed themselved squarely in the same group as scumbag lawyers and bull**** politicians. (Not all lawyers are scumbags, but you know the one's I mean..)

So I swear, I will never buy another single F*cking CD for as long as I live. I will listen to the radio. I will use my satellite TV audio channels. I will buy songs if they ever come out with a method for me to do so, over the internet.

I will not pay $17.99 for a CD with 2 good songs, and 14 pieces of fluff.

You see here's the problem. If the RIAA had not been screwing us for years, they may have gotten a little more sympathy. But instead of making 1 album, with 15 good songs on it, they will release 7 albums over 4 years, with 2 good songs each, and have us pony up $17.99 5 times, vs $17.99 once.

So they've been screwing us for years, and now we're screwing them...Sorry but Boo-F*ckin'-hoo.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #61 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:33:04 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Octavius
The "ease" of piracy only affects the range of users who wish to record/download/burn music...

I agree. My point is that the ease/quality/convinience of digital piracy has caused this range of users to grow to include users who never would have used tape for piracy.

From what I gather, you're saying the record companies want to cash in on the effort?
You mean I think they want to cash in on file sharing? I would hope so, it's where the future is headed.

Have you ever recorded something from the radio?
I did when I was younger, quite a bit actually. But my tape piracy was never a replacement for buying music. There is a growing segment of the population that have replaced music buying with digital piracy. That's my point.

ccvi · « **Reply #62 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:45:12 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Wlfgng
we still do that.
every tuesday night at a local home-grown studio.
In fact, it's been a regular thing for 15+ years and
some great players show up from time to time..
BIG time players without attitudes.. it's awesome
and I'm glad to see this kind of thing still exists.

How about sharing it with others? Webspace is cheap

Sixpence · « **Reply #63 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:45:40 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Mickey1992
Quote
Originally posted by Octavius
The "ease" of piracy only affects the range of users who wish to record/download/burn music...

I agree. My point is that the ease/quality/convinience of digital piracy has caused this range of users to grow to include users who never would have used tape for piracy.

There is a growing segment of the population that have replaced music buying with digital piracy. That's my point. [/B]

And what do you base this on?

BTW, is it easier to afford a small boom box with a tape recorder, or a $1500 computer and $35 a month for service?

Octavius · « **Reply #64 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:49:38 PM »

But mickey, there's no need to buy CDs any more. Record labels were created to help the artist get their music out there. They're obsolete with the internet.

Artists can get their music out there by themselves -- albeit without the huge reach of the money hungry record companies --but it *is* possible. Take the record companies away and artists may actually have to -gasp- compose actual music to draw some fans!!! The horror! Record labels no longer "selling cool" to teenagers. My GOD we might actually see some originality among today's youth with the hiphop and manufactured pop stars out of the way. Of course, that might have a negative affect... they (youth of america) might not have a crowd to follow!

And maybe we'd actually see some good albums withmore than 2 songs and the rest being fluff.

Of course, this is my utopia

Fishu · « **Reply #65 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:49:59 PM »

Mickey,

In my opinion it is not as great deal as RIAA and the publishers makes it sound like.
It's actually quite amusing that pirating of songs is far higher hyped against than theft of private property.
If anything, resources and money should be rather used to investigate actual crimes, which causes FAR more losses than a kiddie or poor arse student copying MP3 off the net.

The current actions by RIAA and the publishers probably makes more bad than good (well, good for the publishers, but overall.. not), since overall, if they get even more serious like they seem to be, it alienates the potential customer base even further.
In theory, with a great PR and marketing, they could probably make more profit with less spendings, than this top wanted song pirate campaign does

However, I suspect alot of those who runs the publishers, share owners and RIAA, are fairly old people, whos for the internet and computer isn't quite as familiar.
You know.. unknown things can cause fear and fear is easily manipulated?
I'm afraid the greed ones are manipulating the fearing part of people to support them, which often are the most powerful ones of a nation. (for older people, internet and computers aren't so familiar as to younger people and I'm sure you'll know which part of the population is running the goverment, laws, industry etc.)
For the greed ones, this gives them welcome respect and money, more so than thinking of the best for the whole industry.
Those ain't any santa claus guys up on the top of these things and theres only a few people who actually runs the show.
The others are just supporters, who preaches the same thing.

Got to love the capitalism, eh?

If it wouldn't be the greed driving the matter, then there could be far more noise over the actual criminal acts.
but is there alot of cash offered to you if you drive an organization with ever growing plans to prevent crime? no.

What comes to fear, there are many kinds of fears, but theres always one common thing with fear - whatever fear it is, it can be used to manipulate the person and if there are more than one person with same kind of fears, you can manipulate the people.
This has been applied in the politics for as long as the history has been written and beyond.
In the business, different kind of fear is manipulated, than with the wars.

ccvi · « **Reply #66 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:54:04 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Mickey1992
Who is going to pay the $200,000 it costs to record/produce the average gold-selling CD when it is "open source" and the artist isn't making any money off of it?

What was the development cost of the current windows version? Where do all those free OSs come from that aren't far from it or even beat it in some areas?

Sixpence · « **Reply #67 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:54:32 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by ccvi
How about sharing it with others? Webspace is cheap

Alot of small bands do. It would have been cool to put our songs to mp3 and put them on a site to download. As long as you didn't use our songs to make a profit by selling them.

midnight Target · « **Reply #68 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:56:36 PM »

OMG!

Our world will have no music! If the industry dies all music will die! No one will ever write another song! Oh the horror!!

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #69 on:** July 23, 2003, 03:59:44 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Octavius
But mickey, there's no need to buy CDs any more. Record labels were created to help the artist get their music out there. They're obsolete with the internet.

I agree, I agree, I agree. My whole beef is with the "music should be free, so I am going to steal it" lot. Someday I will be able to download an album directly from the artist for $2-$3 (which is their cut now), and I welcome that (although even then there will be people who will still steal it). I just don't think that piracy is justifiable in the meantime.

Octavius · « **Reply #70 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:00:48 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by midnight Target
OMG!

Our world will have no music! If the industry dies all music will die! No one will ever write another song! Oh the horror!!

Exactly. 60s - 70s = goodness. After that, it went down hill with sellouts and FLUFF. A few good/great bands here and there from the 80s - present. No ORIGINALITY in "mainstream" manufactured music.

Would you turn on the radio (the future "oldies" or music of our present) 30 years from now and say "Now THAT was music!" ?? Hell no. I vomit when I turn KISS FM or any other pop radio stations that are ALL owned by a single corporation. I hope nobody remembers what MTV has become.

On a side note... Bring back Beavis and Butthead!

Octavius · « **Reply #71 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:02:06 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Mickey1992
I agree, I agree, I agree. My whole beef is with the "music should be free, so I am going to steal it" lot. Someday I will be able to download an album directly from the artist for $2-$3 (which is their cut now), and I welcome that (although even then there will be people who will still steal it). I just don't think that piracy is justifiable in the meantime.

How would you propose the destruction of big time corporate record companies?

Sixpence · « **Reply #72 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:09:55 PM »

I find it funny that someone would argue that the musicians would not exist if not for the big music companies, when in fact if it were not for the musicians, the big record companies would not exist.

Octavius · « **Reply #73 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:16:14 PM »

doh, read that wrong

DrDea · « **Reply #74 on:** July 23, 2003, 04:32:53 PM »

Quote

I find it funny that someone would argue that the musicians would not exist if not for the big music companies, when in fact if it were not for the musicians, the big record companies would not exist.

Exactly.And the funny thing is the Musicians are getting the shaft in this grand scale theftathon.They get a cut of album cd sales and the more that gets swapped the less gets bought.Hey.If ya only like 1 or 2 songs on a CD so what.It does in NO way give you the right to what is in effect steal it. To coin a phrase,if ya dont like the rest of the cd,boo ****ing hoo. Unfortunatly now people think they have the right to trade off music like its baseball cards.I feel no pity for the ones that get caught and fined at it.