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Offline JBA

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What cost? Lets ask Europe/Asia if it was to expensive to fight?
« on: July 23, 2003, 09:40:19 AM »
Source: Commerce Dept. William D. Nordhaus

Direct cost of war,                       Cost, as a % of annual GDP  
in billions of 2002 dollars  

Revolutionary War   $2.2      63%
War of 1812   $1.1      13%
Mexican War   $1.6      3%
Civil War      $6.1      104%
Spanish-Amer. War   $9.6      3%
World War I   $190.6      24%
World War II   $2,896.30   130%
Korean War   $335.9      15%
Vietnam War   $494.3      12%
Gulf War I      $76.1      1%
Gulf War II*   $51.9      0.5%*

*Cost so far.  Pentagon estimates ongoing cost of 3.9 billion per month
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What cost? Lets ask Europe/Asia if it was to expensive to fight?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2003, 09:48:44 AM »
What's Europe/Asia have to do with those figures?

(BTW it's too expensive)
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What cost? Lets ask Europe/Asia if it was to expensive to fight?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2003, 10:57:52 AM »
The cost of WWII. Was it to "expensive" to free these people from tyranny. What is the cost of Freedom?
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2003, 01:17:12 PM »
The difference is that WW2 was sold as a war of liberation from the start. Iraq was not - it was about WMD not freedom.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2003, 02:38:42 PM »
So then, you're saying that our going to war in WWII would not have been just if the "advertised" reason for going into that war would have turned out to be false?


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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2003, 02:42:03 PM »
Looks like the most cost-effective enemies are the Mexicans, the Spaniards and the Iraqis.

Liberate Mexico!
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2003, 02:55:41 PM »
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Looks like the most cost-effective enemies are the Mexicans, the Spaniards and the Iraqis.

Liberate Mexico!


So one down and two to go then?
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2003, 02:57:22 PM »
Firstly, I was under the impression the US was attacked and had war declared upon her. Secondly, a false casus belli is not a casus belli at all, is it?
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2003, 02:59:59 PM »
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Liberate Mexico!


and return California, Arizona, Navada, New Mexico, and Colorado to Mexico :D
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2003, 03:08:23 PM »
From what you wrote, I took it to mean that if the initial justification for the war is false, then the entire war is unjust.  Was I reading it wrong?  I would say that just because the initial cause for a war was false, that doesn't mean that it can't net positive result.  I personally couldn't give a flying poop if they find WMD in Iraq, removing Sadaam from power was a just cause in my eyes.


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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2003, 03:17:38 PM »
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From what you wrote, I took it to mean that if the initial justification for the war is false, then the entire war is unjust. Was I reading it wrong?


The ins and outs of a just war scenario don't really interest me. I'm more concerned with the manipulation of information to gain approval for committing my country's resources and servicemen's lives in a cause of dubious value.

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I would say that just because the initial cause for a war was false, that doesn't mean that it can't net positive result.


I don't disagree.

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I personally couldn't give a flying poop if they find WMD in Iraq, removing Sadaam from power was a just cause in my eyes.


So if, hypothetically, they lied that would not bother you? If so, what other lies would you tolerate - do you have a line in the sand on this issue?
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2003, 04:17:43 PM »
In the end, I think (as I said), having Sadaam out of power is a good thing, which justifies the war to me.  Whether the current administration in the White House lied about the WMD or not is a separate issue in my book.  On that front, it's not black and white, and I doubt I'll ever have enough information at my disposal to make an educated judgement about whether or not the president was trying to decieve anyone.


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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2003, 04:30:30 PM »
Just so I can start saving,

How much is it going to cost for WW III?
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2003, 05:19:20 PM »
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Just so I can start saving,

How much is it going to cost for WW III?


I don't think there's anyone paying the bills afterwards.
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Re: What cost? Lets ask Europe/Asia if it was to expensive to fight?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2003, 09:38:49 PM »
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Originally posted by JBA
Source: Commerce Dept. William D. Nordhaus

Direct cost of war,                       Cost, as a % of annual GDP  
in billions of 2002 dollars  

Revolutionary War   $2.2      63%
War of 1812   $1.1      13%
Mexican War   $1.6      3%
Civil War      $6.1      104%
Spanish-Amer. War   $9.6      3%
World War I   $190.6      24%
World War II   $2,896.30   130%
Korean War   $335.9      15%
Vietnam War   $494.3      12%
Gulf War I      $76.1      1%
Gulf War II*   $51.9      0.5%*

*Cost so far.  Pentagon estimates ongoing cost of 3.9 billion per month


The US wasn't the only country to fight for the liberation or Europe and Asia in WWI & WWII, or the Korean and Gulf Wars either for that matter.
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