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Offline hogenbor

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A few thoughts on tracers
« on: July 28, 2003, 03:54:58 AM »
After reading some write-ups on the subject I tried to fly with tracers turned off.

I have about 10 months of experience in AH now but I think a lot of people I see on-line fly more in a month than I do in a year… Nevertheless I'm not a newbie anymore and am still getting better. I also seek ways of improving myself, like flying fighters I can't really seem to get to grips with and of course switching off tracers.

After a weekend without tracers I don't really see any difference in succes rate yet. What I noticed though that although I tend to 'miss' the visual help tracers provide, I compensate by getting a bit closer and aim better. What's the most surprising thing to me is that I simply do not use the gunsight. A potential target is always maneuvering and so is your own aircraft. There seems to be some internal algorithm at work that tries to compensate and compute lead. Therefore looking at the target instead of the gunsight seems to work better for me.

Still, when spraying a bit during high deflection shots I still miss tracers (and that P-38 I only got smoking yesterday and killed me instead ). I know that in real life tracers have different ballistics than ordinary rounds. Is this modelled in Aces High?

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2003, 06:05:44 AM »
Fly with tracers off for about a week and you should get used to it.

One of the main problems with having tracers on is that one might become dependent on using the tracers to correct your lead.  So in essence you start to lead with your tracers instead of your gun sight.  From your post, that sounds like what's been happening to you already with tracers on.

At least for me and a few others, flying with tracers off really has helped improve the gunnery skills.  But as with everything YMMV.


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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2003, 09:29:08 AM »
I find tracers distracting, particularly during nightfighting.  The only time I see a benefit to tracers is when shooting the Osti and field guns because of their ballistics and slow ROF.

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2003, 10:08:25 AM »
All of the above plus...enemy breaks as soon as he sees tracers fly by...if tracers are off...enemy breaks when he starts hearing hits.

OTH...if want to force a break to clear someone's tail, for instance, tracers are good for that.  At least they force me to break...:cool:

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2003, 04:23:38 PM »
Darn tracers always get in my way  and  makes it harder to see pings .Leave them off your hit % should improve.
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Re: A few thoughts on tracers
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2003, 08:46:12 PM »
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What I noticed though that although I tend to 'miss' the visual help tracers provide, I compensate by getting a bit closer and aim better.  

Yup.  And you also won't give yourself away as much.  Can't tell you how many times I've been (temporarily) saved because I saw the tracers go by and broke before they were on me.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2003, 08:55:50 PM »
I still use tracers, just as an alternative arguement.  I think it's a personal thing.  I tend to hold fire though to the point where tracers make no difference since I'm landing hits from basically my first round.  I think for average guys who are firing at D400+ there can be issues related to spooking the enemy but for me that is an advantage.  Quite often I'll shoot short bursts to spook people into turning and tracers can help with that for me.

It's a personal thing though, like convergence settings, and I bet there are advantages to having them on and off but it's deciding which works best for you.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2003, 10:30:35 AM »
so what you are saying is, If I turn off my tracers and the enamy has his on he can not see mine ???

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2003, 11:20:32 AM »
Thats right GP if you turn your tracers off enemy will not see them nor will you. However your country men still will so they can tell when your shooting and not fly thru your bullet stream. Well the will still fly thru your bullet stream but at least they cant say they didnt see it.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2003, 12:30:12 PM »
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Thats right GP if you turn your tracers off enemy will not see them nor will you. However your country men still will  

are you sure about that?  I thought even countrymen couldn't see the tracers (from aircraft).

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2003, 12:58:25 PM »
i forgot in this game you can hurt yourself if you shoot your own country, right ?

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2003, 01:44:29 PM »
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are you sure about that?  I thought even countrymen couldn't see the tracers (from aircraft).

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Positive countrymen can see your tracers whether they are on or off. Unless your in the DA or TA or maybe SEA not sure about that one.
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2003, 01:46:36 PM »
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i forgot in this game you can hurt yourself if you shoot your own country, right ?


 Thats correct shooting friendlys tranfers damage to you. Even a couple hits of 303 cal will take your tail clean off.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2003, 02:06:52 PM »
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Positive countrymen can see your tracers whether they are on or off. Unless your in the DA or TA or maybe SEA not sure about that one.


I would dispute this, if I really cared about it.  Whether my country men see my tracers or not really doesn't affect my attack style all that much.

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A few thoughts on tracers
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2003, 09:08:40 AM »
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Thats correct shooting friendlys tranfers damage to you. Even a couple hits of 303 cal will take your tail clean off.
in the older version it wouldnt...