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Offline Gunthr

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« Reply #270 on: August 04, 2003, 10:26:28 AM »
I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but I don't want to let this issue get cold ...

Who among you will speak for the cadavers, and their right to give "passive consent" to various sexual acts, and yes, even marriage to the right person?
"When I speak I put on a mask. When I act, I am forced to take it off."  - Helvetius 18th Century

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« Reply #271 on: August 04, 2003, 10:26:59 AM »
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Saur...are you suggesting that what Mighty1 said was a "constructive argument"?  Surely you jest? MrLars was obviously being facetious in his response.


Yeah, thought the baking soda and vinegar enema would have telegraphed my intentions.

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« Reply #272 on: August 04, 2003, 11:23:32 AM »
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but I don't want to let this issue get cold ...

Who among you will speak for the cadavers, and their right to give "passive consent" to various sexual acts, and yes, even marriage to the right person?


Well, I'm an organ doner.  So, when I die they get first crack at my corpse.  After that if the necrophiliacs want what's left, they're welcome to it.  Marry it, live in sin with it, whatever...once I'm dead I promise I won't be offended.


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« Reply #273 on: August 04, 2003, 11:33:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
Really? I thought they were fulfilling their duties to their constituents in a republican form of government when they pass a law.

However, again let me point out that the Legislative branch has taken no action on this. So, you're in high dudgeon over nothing at this point.

And neither is Bush. You finally see that, do you?

I'm not sure marriage is even mentioned in the US Constitution.

Well, you probably have LOTS of problems. Legislative bodies across the globe enact and impose laws based on "their"morality and the "morality" of their constituents.

Just a quick example; there's some places in Canada you can't hunt on Sundays. And that's about the most minor one I can imagine.

Then there's the aforementioned incest example in this thread. There's laws against incest in many if not most nations/states/provinces around the world.

A lot of laws are based on the perceived or expressed "morality" of the voter base. So, you've gots lots and lots of problems around the globe.


I did not say that Bush was doing it.
I said that passing such a law would be doing it.
So stop trying to read between the lines.
I am not accusing anyone of anything.
Would is conditionnal as I am sure you are aware.


What I am saying is simple:
If you leave religions the choice then everyone can do what they want.
If you dont like it then dont watch.
Whats so damn hard to understand about that?
You still have the right to call it immoral and gay people can get married.
In my book that makes everone a winner.
Do you understand now?


The bible was not written by god, it was written by humans.
Translations have changed the meaning of it in some places too.


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I suppose the world you speak of would have no judgements made by anyone....who among us would have the authority to deem rules or laws fair and just.


No it would not.
The problem I have with it being illegal is that it makes a victimless crime.
Who is the victim in a gay relationship or marriage?
There is none. Therefore it is not a crime.
If its not a crime then I see no reason not to allow it.


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This is precisely what faith-based thinking requires, and is something which I patently refuse to do.


I agree.

I believe in things that are proven.
I dont believe in god(s) because there is no concrete evidence that he or they exist.
Jesus could have been nursed back to health before reapearing.
And then he left because he would be killed if caught.
No one can say that is not what happenned and no one can say that it did.
We will never know what really happenned.

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« Reply #274 on: August 04, 2003, 11:47:31 AM »
This thread is gay.

...and chock full of closet homosexuals.


If there was a "god" that gave two ****s who was boffing whom, it wouldn't be worth worshipping anyway.

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« Reply #275 on: August 04, 2003, 11:49:02 AM »
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Well, I'm an organ doner. So, when I die they get first crack at my corpse. After that if the necrophiliacs want what's left, they're welcome to it. Marry it, live in sin with it, whatever...once I'm dead I promise I won't be offended.


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What kind of a sick human being would want to make love to a cadaver with no liver, no heart, no kidneys and no eyes? Let alone get married to it! :D
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« Reply #276 on: August 04, 2003, 12:01:33 PM »
If you're going to take the whole "gay s...I mean marriage is immoral/degenerate/deviant/offensive"  how different are you from someone who opposes interracial marriage on the same grounds?  And you would wonder why people consider you a bigot and/or a homophobe?  There are good reasons to oppose pedophilia/beastiality/ect. beyond the emotional response to the act, but I don't see that being the case for homosexual marriage.

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« Reply #277 on: August 04, 2003, 12:05:36 PM »
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Saur...are you suggesting that what Mighty1 said was a "constructive argument"?  Surely you jest? MrLars was obviously being facetious in his response.


No I am most definately not - in fact, it wasnt an arguyment at all - but at least it was a personal viewpoint instead of the usual 'defense' that the acceptance types seem to bring to the front.

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« Reply #278 on: August 04, 2003, 01:14:33 PM »
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Originally posted by AVRO1
I did not say that Bush was doing it.
I said that passing such a law would be doing it.
So stop trying to read between the lines.
I am not accusing anyone of anything.


Oh?

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Originally posted by AVRO1 08-01-2003 07:39 PM

I saw on TV Bush saying he wanted to pass a law to make it illegal.
Who is he to decide what is right and what is wrong for everybody else?
What gives him morale authority over others?
He cant prove he worships a more worthy god then anybody else.
So what gives him the right to force his views on anybody else?

 


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Originally posted by AVRO1 08-02-2003 01:13 PM
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If Bush pushes this law because of his religious beliefs then he is putting religion into the government.


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Originally posted by AVRO1 08-03-2003 06:13 AM
If Bush passes is law then you are in effect telling other religions who dont have a problem with gay unions that they are wrong.
 


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Originally posted by AVRO1 08-03-2003 01:51 PM
The problem is that Bush is trying to push this law because of is personnal beliefs.
 


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Originally posted by AVRO1 08-03-2003 04:30 PM
I know about special interest groups you know. :rolleyes:

What I saw on TV was Bush who seemed to be saying he would make a law that marriage as to be the way he sees it.

 



So you didn't say all this? You didn't say Bush was doing it?


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I am not imposing anything on anyone, I am just saying I dont have a problem with them having marriage



Bush isn't imposing anything on anyone, he is just saying he does have a problem with them having marriage.

So, he's just doing exactly what you are doing here. But it's OK for you to do it but not for him to do it because the Constitution says that everyone gets the right of free speech except for the folks that don't agree with you, correct? :D

Again, remember US Presidents DON'T make laws. The Congress does. All you need do is review how many things Presidents have proposed that the Congress either totally ignores or simply disapproves.
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« Reply #279 on: August 04, 2003, 02:25:10 PM »
How can you NOT look at Gays as being Mentally Ill?

They are no different than Alchoholics or people with Eating disorders etc..

How could you possibly want someone who is mentally challenged making decisions for you OR being around your kids?


And how about this?

Gay Bishop

It's now OK for a Preacher to be Gay?
I have been reborn a new man!

Notice I never said a better man.

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« Reply #280 on: August 04, 2003, 02:28:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Mighty1
How can you NOT look at Gays as being Mentally Ill?

They are no different than Alchoholics or people with Eating disorders etc..

How could you possibly want someone who is mentally challenged making decisions for you OR being around your kids?


And how about this?

Gay Bishop

It's now OK for a Preacher to be Gay?


How could you NOT read this....

or

This....

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Gays are mentally ill and should be treated as such.

Tolerated maybe, Pitied absolutley but never excepted as normal.

They should never hold political office nor have ANY position that allows them to interact with children.


Without the word Bigot coming to mind.

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« Reply #281 on: August 04, 2003, 02:41:58 PM »
MT, if you go by the definition of "bigot" in this thread, it seems to show those critters on both sides of the fence.

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Webster

2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of
   religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or
   opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable
   or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is
   intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in
   politics or morals;
one obstinately and blindly devoted to
   his own church, party, belief, or opinion.



Like I said, plenty of intolerance being shown in this thread on both sides of the discussion.

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« Reply #282 on: August 04, 2003, 02:57:16 PM »
Gay's should be treated no differently than any other minority. They HAVE NO CHOICE in their sexual preference. So intolerence of Gay's is no different than intolerence of Blacks or Hispanics or Eskimos or any other group of people you would like to lump together.

You can limit your argument to a strict definition by Webster if you like Toad, but you are mistaken when you compare the bigots who are obstinant about the need to INCLUDE with those who feel the need to EXCLUDE by calling them both "Intolerant".

Yes I am bigoted FOR Inclusion and Tolerance and Equal Treatment under the law. I Have never seen a decent argument that would make that bigotry go away.

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« Reply #283 on: August 04, 2003, 02:59:36 PM »
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Does that mean that when you get upset by strange ppl that insist on parking airliners in your skyscrapers, that you're being bigoted against their views?

Are we being bigoted against tyrants like Saddam?


Are you saying terrorists are gay?

Or just throwing out a gay red-herring? :)

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« Reply #284 on: August 04, 2003, 03:03:07 PM »
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Gay's should be treated no differently than any other minority.  


And no group should get preferential treatment either.

So maybe amend that to say gay's should not be treated any differently than anyone else.  Which is equality under the law.

I don't understand the gay-thing, unless it's hot lesbians, then I'm into that.

As far as marriage, who cares!  I think my wife might be against me being allowed to marry, but that's a different story.

And SOB is definately gay!
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