RAM asks...what about Cockpit pressurization modelled?

[RAM]

Well the subject of this thread says it all. I have read several times that Blood BOILS at altitudes of 35K feet because the lack of pression, of course that makes the pilot to be "unhappy"  

Now I ask...why isnt this modelled in AH? It would in fact mark the end of the era of the 35K stratobuffs and Sputnikfires (hehe Stsanta  )...if you go to 30K you start feeling nauseous (add here a wounded pilot effect), if you go higher than that you lose conscience. And if by any means you go higher than 35K...you are ded  
(correct this if I am wrong, I know about the blood boiling at 35-36K but I dont know about the previous effects)

There are aircraft with pressurizated cockpits, of course...add a pressurization system to the damage list of those planes, make it damageable and we have a realistic new feature in AH.

HT,Pyro, is something like this planned?

I hope it so  

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[RAM]

Forgot the sig  

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[mx22]

I think that might be an idea for future. If you gonna model this effect, then you would need to add planes with pressurized cockpits and damage effect on them. In any case, if you think this issue will stop people from flying high, you wrong - people will simply switch to planes with pressurized cockpits

mx22

[LLv34_Camouflage]

I remember Falcon (yep, 1.0) had this effect way back in...in...in...87 or something?

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[airspro]

Whats up with not having to use O2 ? In FA2 you have to turn on O2 above a certain alt or pilot dies , and theres a damage box on the plane for that too , if hit you can't fly high again till fixed . PLus the O2 didn't last forever either  

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[Karnak]

O2 didn't last forever, just longer than the fuel on the aircraft.

The pressurized aircraft that were used in WWII were mostly intended for REALLY high altitude fighting, in some cases over 50,000ft.  The altitudes that we fight at, below 35,000ft, didn't require pressurization.  Pressurized aircraft were more comfortable, but I don't see a great way to model increased comfort when the pilot is already sitting in the comfort of their home.

Sisu
-Karnak

[mx22]

Hehe Karnak true about the comfort thingy

airspro, was it HT or Pyro who several days ago answered on the O2 question. He said that all aircraft had more then plenty of it and the only way to run out was through damage. I persoanlly want HTC crew spend their time on some other, more useful damage effect then O2 system.

On a side note, idea of somehow limiting high alt is good. Fading out would be nice and I think it will be easy to implement. I just have one question, what was the alt of Allied fighters when their escorted B17s? Was it something like 30k for more then several hours? And if so, then I guess there is nothig wrong with what's modeled in AH now.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by mx22:
I think that might be an idea for future. If you gonna model this effect, then you would need to add planes with pressurized cockpits and damage effect on them. In any case, if you think this issue will stop people from flying high, you wrong - people will simply switch to planes with pressurized cockpits  

mx22

But for sure you wont see any more 35K stratobuff...as AFAIK NO bomber was pressurized until B29 came into service  

[easymo]

 "ram asks......". easymo wants to know why you are referring to yourself in the third person

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by RAM:

But for sure you wont see any more 35K stratobuff...as AFAIK NO bomber was pressurized until B29 came into service  

I heard rumors about B-29 making it into AH plane set

mx22

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by mx22:
I heard rumors about B-29 making it into AH plane set  

mx22

Yes, I know it   It will come as a Perk plane, and I find it fair, if fighter people has their perk planes, if the tankers will have their perk tanks (King tiger or IS2 anyone?  ) I find fair that the bomber nuts get their perk plane.

Uh...of course there will be a perk German fighter able to go up with the 29 and shot it down  

its called Ta152  

But seriously, the 35K stratoB17s arent realistic, they had no pressurization and at those altitudes people has a nasty tendence to die by unpressurization  

[Westy]

"its called Ta152... "

  I have no doubt it could Ram. But don't forget the Do-335 'Arrow' which was the LW hope for dealing with the B-29 back when the LW leaders thought it would be sent to the Europe theatre and used by the Allies against them. I'd rather be in a two engined 335, with all those 30mm cannon attacking a formation of B-29's than a more fragile, single engine slightly less armed 152.
 You'd need the TA-152 to try and fend off the 47M's and 51H's  

  -Westy

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Westy:
"its called Ta152... "

    I have no doubt it could Ram. But don't forget the Do-335 'Arrow' which was the LW hope for dealing with the B-29 back when the LW leaders thought it would be sent to the Europe theatre and used by the Allies against them. I'd rather be in a two engined 335, with all those 30mm cannon attacking a formation of B-29's than a more fragile, single engine slightly less armed 152.
 You'd need the TA-152 to try and fend off the 47M's and 51H's    

  -Westy

Westy the very reason for the existance of the Ta152 was the B29, while the concept that ended in the Do335 was being studied as soon as in 1938 by Dornier himself.  

And AFAIK Ta152 had better ultrahigh performance than Do335

oh,well you know what? you can bring both as perk planes  



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[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
Yes, I know it   It will come as a Perk plane, and I find it fair, if fighter people has their perk planes, if the tankers will have their perk tanks (King tiger or IS2 anyone?   ) I find fair that the bomber nuts get their perk plane.

Uh...of course there will be a perk German fighter able to go up with the 29 and shot it down  

its called Ta152    

But seriously, the 35K stratoB17s arent realistic, they had no pressurization and at those altitudes people has a nasty tendence to die by unpressurization  

B-29 will easily be dead meat if there's a late war fighter close to it's altitude...gotta remember it's best asset is speed at 32k  

With the normal deletion of the 20mm in the tail, that only 10 brownings in a rather complicated turrent design (albeit some had a 4 gun foward turrent)  

But carrying 20,000lbs of bombs must be fun. But then again even the Japanese were baggin 4 or 5 B-29 missions during the daylight raids  

- Jig

[BD]

RAM,

As far as I know, the only combat aircraft to be equiped with a pressurized cockpit were B-29s.  In any event, none of the planes in the current AH set had anything even remotely like a pressurized cockpit.

Having personally flown at 36,000 MSL in an unpressurized glider, I can happily report that my blood did not boil.  My vario (VSI)at that point was still reading a 500 ft per minute climb, but I elected to stop the ascent due to the lack of an emergency bailout bottle.

Nice view from up there, though.

BTW, the record altitude for a glider (non-pressurized, of course) is in the range of 49,000 feet.  There is no dispute that the pilot reached that altitude, only whether it consitutes a record as he did it without clearance from ATC.

In any event, Pyro agreed that the amount of available oxygen in these planes precluded its being included as an aspect of the game.

See http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/004648.html



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