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« on: August 11, 2003, 10:47:11 AM »
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SARASOTA, Fla. - A retired schoolteacher who went to Iraq (news - web sites) to serve as a "human shield" against the U.S. invasion is facing thousands of dollars in U.S. government fines, which she is refusing to pay.

 
   

The U.S. Department of the Treasury said in a March letter to Faith Fippinger that she broke the law by crossing the Iraqi border before the war. Her travel to Iraq violated U.S. sanctions that prohibited American citizens from engaging in "virtually all direct or indirect commercial, financial or trade transactions with Iraq."


She and others from 30 countries spread out through Iraq to prevent the war. She spent about three months there. Only about 20 of nearly 300 "human shields" were Americans, she said.


Fippinger, who returned home May 4, is being fined at least $10,000, but she has refused to pay. She could face up to 12 years in prison.


In her response to the charges, she wrote the government that "if it comes to fines or imprisonment, "please be aware that I will not contribute money to the United States government to continue the buildup of its arsenal of weapons." Since she won't pay, she said, "perhaps the alternative should be considered."


The government also has asked Fippinger, 62, to detail her travels to Iraq and any financial transactions she made. In her response, Fippinger wrote that the only money she spent was on food and emergency supplies.


If Fippinger does not pay, the fine may increase, and the money will be drawn from her retirement paycheck, her Social Security (news - web sites) check or any of her assets, officials said.


"She was (in Iraq) in violation of U.S. sanctions," said Taylor Griffin, a Treasury Department (news - web sites) spokesman. "That's what happens."


Shortly before the U.S. invasion in March, Fippinger was one of several dozen human shields scattered around a refinery in Baghdad.


"We are planning to stay here in the refinery if war breaks out," Fippinger said at the time. "We are staying here because we think this war is unjust."


I say stick it to her!

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2003, 10:50:18 AM »
Oh wow....had we only slapped Hanoi Jane around the same way...

Be-You-Tee-Ful...pound the taxpayers out some nice license plates, lady!

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2003, 10:54:47 AM »
So I guess the human shield guidance beacons didn't work?

Before breaking the law, one really should research the consequences and be prepared for them.  If they don't believe those consequences are fair, well... it wasn't because they didn't know about them.

BTW... Anyone heard anything about any of the "human shields" being killed by bombs?  I only remember Baghdad Bob saying something about us blowing up a busload of them, but haven't really seen any news on it.

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2003, 10:56:43 AM »
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Before breaking the law, one really should research the consequences and be prepared for them.  If they don't believe those consequences are fair, well... it wasn't because they didn't know about them.


....and ignorance of the law is NO excuse.  I've had a judge tell me that to my face.  :)

lol @ this woman.  She deserves everything she gets.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2003, 10:58:05 AM »
I agree curval... but in this instance, I don't believe anyone can be accused of "ignorance of the law".  I'm sure they got it from all directions before leaving.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2003, 11:04:21 AM »
Could someone link in that article...I think it was a UK one...about the guy who went over to be a human shield and discovered it wasnt quite what he thought it would be?  Wound up seeing thru the BS and went home

Ugh...thought I had it bookmarked...its a good read.

Good point, MiniD about the law...this self righteous woman better like prison clothes  :D

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2003, 11:07:14 AM »
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I agree curval... but in this instance, I don't believe anyone can be accused of "ignorance of the law".  I'm sure they got it from all directions before leaving.

MiniD


I "think" you misunderstood what I was saying.  This woman cannot argue HER case based upon "Oh I didn't know about those laws"...even if she wasn't TOLD what the rules were.  The onus is always upon the accused to know what the law is before they break a law.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2003, 11:11:35 AM »
Ummm... I didn't misunderstand.  The point is it shouldn't be news that she's being fined.  I'm sure its not to her nor the government.  To be honest, it would be bigger news to report she's not going to be imprissoned.

She knew this would happen.  Its not really news that she's fighting it.  And ignorance of the law really didn't come into play on this one.

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2003, 11:23:43 AM »
Ahhh, sweet justice.

Ask Saddam to pay her fine.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2003, 11:34:54 AM »
Burn da old biatch !

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2003, 11:38:29 AM »
She's worthy of her sentence.  But what I wanna know is what are they gonna do with Sean Penn?  Didn't he travel to Iraq and sit on Hussein's lap?  What about that trip?
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2003, 11:42:56 AM »
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I don't believe anyone can be accused of "ignorance of the law".  MiniD



Sorry for harping on this MiniD, it is just a question of semantics.  In the initial response to me (above) you said you don't believe anyone can be ACCUSED of ignorance of the law.  No one is "accusing" anyone of anything related to ignorance of the law.  

All I am saying is that she can't use ignorance of the law as an excuse in her defense.  It may or may not be something she tries to use..that is yet to be seen.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2003, 11:52:30 AM »
You island dwelling knob.

I said I agreed that ignorance is no excuse and cannot be used as defense.  Its just that it doesn't even remotely apply here.

Did you know the sky is blue as viewed through our 19% oxygen atmosphere?  That's true too... but doesn't really have anything to do with why the "human sheild(s)" are not paying their fines.

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2003, 12:02:48 PM »
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You island dwelling knob.


LOL...
 
You brought it up..ya big fat drunk bastage.

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2003, 12:17:46 PM »
In her response to the charges, she wrote the government that "if it comes to fines or imprisonment, "please be aware that I will not contribute money to the United States government to continue the buildup of its arsenal of weapons." Since she won't pay, she said, "perhaps the alternative should be considered."

So, when did she stop paying taxes?
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