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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2003, 11:56:58 AM »
Nuke, I got lucky... saw it coming.  Filled up all the vehicles on Friday.  My truck will run out on Thursday if I don't get gas.... will have to drive the 'vette.  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Gas is around $1.79 to $1.99 out by my house.  Saw it at $3.99 downtown though... ouch.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2003, 12:40:33 PM »
Didn't we go to war for oil?  

I say we go back to the good old days.


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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2003, 12:58:16 PM »
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Anyone in the Phoenix metro area have any secrets or tips for getting gas? This officially sucks now.

 

Don't know where you're at but today, Wednesday, there is one station within 5 miles in any direction from me with gas.  Corner of Power and Brown in Mesa - I just filled my wifes car for her - $2.99 a f____ng gallon.  Didn't notice price 'til the ticker started crossing $40.00 and I almost messed myself in outrage.  Then continued filling the tank cause . . . well, whatta ya gonna do?

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2003, 01:49:47 PM »
There's gas to be had in Surprise, Nuke.  Problem is, you will have to wait in line.  I don't do lines.  Of course, if the gas line isn't repaired on schedule this weekend, I'll be out of gas in all cars by the end of next week.    
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2003, 03:20:45 PM »
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Blame the enviromentalist!!!!


The “Naderite” environmentalists certainly do their part. The Carol Browner EPA under the Clinton administration (more a Gore thing than a Clinton thing, though) was extreme to say the least. I covered a number of environmental issues in the 1990s and found myself against EPA policy almost without fail. And I consider myself very much to be pro environment. However, as far as reformulated gasoline is concerned, you have to talk to the good folks over at ADM about that :) The environmentalists are good tools for the ADM folks to use, but ADM is the 800 lb gorilla where "clean" fuels are concerned.

Y’all get so worried about some inner city welfare mother skimming food stamps, when some of these corporations are riding so high on your tax dollars through subsidies that I wonder if they need to actually sell products to other customers. For each gallon of ethanol added to gasoline $.50 is taken from our highway funds to make it “economical.” In fact, ADM just managed to push through a sweeping ethanol mandate to put a product in gasoline that makes it harder (more expensive) to distribute, that’s a wash environmentally and that provides inconsequential benefits where “reducing our dependence on foreign oil” is concerned. Funny thing is, farmers (and critical farm Senators) support this, but to meet the mandate non-farm sources of ethanol production will have to be developed. Currently, biomass production is expensive, but give it a few years and farmers may find themselves increasingly cut out of the loop.

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2003, 03:30:59 PM »
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"they" like to induce artificial shortages in selected cities every once in a while to see the reaction and guage how much the American public will bow down for.


And Laz, you're basing this on what again? If you want to blame the big bad oil industry blame them for free market capitalism. The volitility is due to a paper thin infrastructure that can't handle any disruptions at peak periods. The infrastructure is so thin, because with over capacity you lose money on uneeded overhead during non-peak periods and even peak periods when no disruptions occur. The fact that we get screwed when a disruption occurs, and that they enjoy good (localized) profits as supply and demand increases prices at the rack have been looked into by Congress and found to be perfectly above board.

One answer would be to regulate the industry like you do in socialist countries. There are a lot of reasons why this is a bad idea.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2003, 03:46:46 PM »
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And don't forget the "shortages" are an excuse for price gouging. (or is that what you are trying to say?)


By who? The dealer that sees his supply price increase by as much or more per gallon as his price at the pump? Gasoline is a commodity that is bought weekly to multiple times weekly by the people who own gas stations. They get a supply price from a brand partner (major oil company) of if independent, on the spot market. When a disruption occurs the first group to see the increase in price is the retailer. If there is initial "gouging" it reflects the fact that they will likely see sales at cost or near cost for some weeks to come once whatever is in the tanks runs dry.

Generally, the higher the volitility related price, the less money an average dealer, jobber, marketer makes at the pump. As it is, $.08 cents/gallon is considered a good margin for a product that is a real pain to supply. Most of these guys are looking to give up making money at the gasoline islands in the next couple of years and hope the gasoline offer brings customers into the stores. For that matter, most of the major oil companies are looking to get out of retail (both company stores and dealer networks) since the big money is in exploration and production. Even refining is seen as a low-profit/high-risk operation.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2003, 03:51:59 PM »
Now the Big Bad Oil Companies wouldn't gouge you on the price of Gas. They would be investigated by the highest levels of Government. Vote Bush/Cheney in '04!
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2003, 09:34:18 PM »
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There's gas to be had in Surprise, Nuke.  Problem is, you will have to wait in line.  I don't do lines.  Of course, if the gas line isn't repaired on schedule this weekend, I'll be out of gas in all cars by the end of next week.    
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Steve I got lucky today, my brother and I were eating lunch at a Denny's in Scottsdale with an empy gas station in view of our window seat when  a gas tanker pulled in. For about 10 minutes as we ate there was hardly a line so went over and  filled up, went back to the office and told everyone....... and about 3 people went down there just as the station raised the price from 1.89 to 2.19..... but at least they got gas.

They say that the pipeline failed the test today Steve, so I wouldn't count on the gas this weekend.

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2003, 11:11:14 PM »
Maybe if fewer people commuted alone in giant SUVs you wouldn't have this problem.

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2003, 11:24:24 PM »
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Maybe if fewer people commuted alone in giant SUVs you wouldn't have this problem.


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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2003, 12:30:25 AM »
there are cars that get 40+ mpg, go buy one of those and then stop complaining about fuel problems.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2003, 01:00:22 AM »
Shut up Frogman, ya fuggin tard.  The cars that get  40 mpg have to wait in the same line for gas..  Do you own  a car that gets 40mpg?
Do you own a car?  Does your disability check allow you to afford one?
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2003, 01:02:43 AM »
yea it gets 40mpg and i fill it up every 2 weeks.
my disability checks are huge anyways.

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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2003, 01:04:02 AM »
Steve, you just trumped my reply to his ignorance... I was responding when my computer crashed.

Frogboy, cars that get 40 mpg have the same problemn buying gas as anyone else here.