Author Topic: Would you get mad... (Read 800 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #15 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:50:15 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
of course hes a complete moron...not everyone can read a sig while zooming past after finishing wasting there time reading a post by someone who cant be arsed enough to same something usefull...

either way im pretty sure everyone is waiting for YOU to grow up...even 12 year olds on those silly pcgamer forums have made posts with more content than yours

Hey! What happened to "attack the post, not the poster"!

The preachers are always the first to fall.

gofaster · « **Reply #16 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:51:48 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
gofaster: The difference is that the US press is allowed the freedom to report on it.

What difference? Do you mean that just because our press is allowed to report on the illegal acts by our government, those acts bacome less offensive?

miko

Nope. We're just free enough to admit we're doing it. France did it against England in the North American Colonies. China and the Soviet Union provided funds to North Korea and instigated the attack against South Korea. North Vietnam supported the VC activities in the south.

Funnelling money to support revolutions is not a new thing.

Martlet · « **Reply #17 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:54:52 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Nope. We're just free enough to admit we're doing it. France did it against England in the North American Colonies. China and the Soviet Union provided funds to North Korea and instigated the attack against South Korea. North Vietnam supported the VC activities in the south.

Funnelling money to support revolutions is not a new thing.

It's also something I completely agree with. The US ultimately is responsible for looking after it's own interests. If the house next door is for sale, and I can help a nice guy get it over a moron, it's obviously in my best interest.

I'll help him out.

gofaster · « **Reply #18 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:55:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Rude
It was when Clinton and his party were the recipients of the funds.

Kinda like Sam Giancana supporting JFK's campaign in Virginia and Illinois during his election. Sam and Old Joe Kennedy were smuggling buddies and Old Joe promised if his son were in the White House, they'd go easy on the Giancana organized crime business.

And then Robert Kennedy double-crossed them all with his anti-racketeering crusades.

miko2d · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2003, 01:06:18 PM »

gofaster: Funnelling money to support revolutions is not a new thing.

All the regimes you've listed as examples were evil and oppressive ones, but let's forget that. We are not talking funneling money to support revolutions against supposed tyranical regimes here.

We are talking about funneling money in order to affect (subvert?) the workings of democracies. We help other people establish democracies so they can run their lives. After that it should be up to them, not foreigners, to elect their leaders.

Financing the political campaigns by the population is as much a part of the political process as voting. When a US influence shows up in a small poor country and outspends the other parties with US taxpayer's money in order to install communists back to power, what does that say about our attitude towards democracy?
Aren't we supposed to set an example?

miko

AKIron · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2003, 02:43:24 PM »

"How would Americans feel if the Chinese arrived with millions of dollars to support certain candidates deemed friendly to China? Would this be viewed as a democratic development? "

I'm still pretty pissed about that one. Not at China though.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2003, 03:28:31 PM »

Ah there we go again... US being hipocrits......

Bush just recently tried to give money to Turkey to allow the US to stage troops from Turkey in order to attack Iraq from the north.

There was cash on the table to influence the Turkish parliment to vote yes!

And when they voted no, Bush took the money away.
At least the Turks have some sense of moral integrity. They can't be bought with money like the rest of Mr. Bush's potatos.

In some countries that's called a bribery.

In this country it's called lobbying.

In Texas and the current Whtie house administration, it's called politics.

Another, case in point, a few countries voted with the US in the UN to go to war with Iraq, most of those countries were paid with out right cash and other agreements (which translates to money).

Bribed votes with US Tax payer's money...
Hardly a moral victory for the Bush camp... He buys his friends, just like he's doig with the Iraqi War Bucks.

vorticon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2003, 05:18:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Hey! What happened to "attack the post, not the poster"!

The preachers are always the first to fall.

obviously it doesnt apply to battles of a personal nature...

crabofix · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2003, 05:20:21 PM »

You know the saying, "money talks, bull**** walks"

Martlet · « **Reply #24 on:** October 14, 2003, 05:46:08 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
obviously it doesnt apply to battles of a personal nature...

Aaahhhh, I missed the rules of when attacking the poster is or isn't allowed. Could you forward that to me?

Thrawn · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2003, 11:33:43 PM »

Martlet, I'm tired of reading your childish attacks. I don't think you contribute anything to this board expect your ignorance, poor reasoning kills, and mean spiritedness.

Time for you to go in the box, cya.

As to the point at hand. I don't think it matters if other countries do it, that doesn't legitimise ones own country doing it. If another person breaks a law, does it give you the right to.

It's hypocritcal to claim a belief and love of democratic principles on one hand, then act against them with the other.

crabofix · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2003, 12:30:53 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
"How would Americans feel if the Chinese arrived with millions of dollars to support certain candidates deemed friendly to China? Would this be viewed as a democratic development? "

I'm still pretty pissed about that one. Not at China though.

How do you know it is not already been done?

Martlet · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2003, 01:01:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Martlet, I'm tired of reading your childish attacks. I don't think you contribute anything to this board expect your ignorance, poor reasoning kills, and mean spiritedness.

Time for you to go in the box, cya.

As to the point at hand. I don't think it matters if other countries do it, that doesn't legitimise ones own country doing it. If another person breaks a law, does it give you the right to.

It's hypocritcal to claim a belief and love of democratic principles on one hand, then act against them with the other.

And I'm tired of listening to you whine about the evil U.S.

I like it in the box. There are fewer liberals here. The ones that always tell you you're going in the box, never really put you there.