The Pledge of Allegiance...

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Animal
I dont get it.

what's new

[Rude]

Originally posted by Animal
Its a pledge to the country, why did it have to also be converted into a pledge to a specific deity?

I dont get it.

I don't know either Animal. As a Christian man, it should be about the walk and not the talk. Personally, I could care less about the pledge...it's just the level at which some on this board hate to see anything with God's name involved or that get bent out of shape about porn being choked, but not something harmless like the pledge.

It's a crazy world....men's hearts are hardening towards wholesome principles and each other....it's only a matter of time before we bring about our own demise.

This is one reason I believe as I do....the Bible says that The Lord will return and establish his Goverment on this earth and bring judgement....it's no suprise to me that we will have failed to govern ourselves...the evidence against us is overwhelming.

Now, what that day will be like I have no clue.....it's simply what I believe in my heart as truth.

[sonofagun]

Originally posted by gofaster
Kinda like reciting "this is my rifle.  There are many like it but this one is mine" every night before the drill sergeant calls lights out.

Hmm...that's not the same "this is my rifle" recitation I was taught at Parris Island!

[DmdNexus]

>>the tards the freedom of this country has produced

Is that the best arguement you got Eagle? Calling someone a name. Yah that IS pretty retarded of YOU. Can't even spell the word can you.


>>the US was founded on the God of the Bible

Actually... no it wasn't.

The majority of the founders were Christian, and they believed in a Christian God... but they also believed that State and Church were separate enties with separate purposes.

A man's church and beliefs attends to his spirit, and the government attends to laws, common good, justice, and defense.

The framers of the constition saw these purpose as distinct and separate, and that is why they crafted constitution to deliberately separates church and state. They also did not want the same church based government that was existant in Europe, which established one belief system and persecuted all others.

This country is founded upon the US Constitution - NOT the Christian bible.

And also remember at that time these so called Christians also thought it was perfectly acceptable to enslave men and considered the status of women as just a little high than property and little lower than a good field horse.

Oh yah let's bring back those Good Ol' moral Christian principles - just like our Founding Fathers had.

Remember most of them were smugglers (Hancock), slave owners (nearly all), land speculators (Washington),  brothel owners (Franklin), crooks (nealry all), vandels (nearly all), and they all were rebels (all).

[FUNKED1]

The pledge is a retarded thing to force kids to say, regardless of the God bit.
If people are going to whine about the God bit, it's just another good reason to scrap the whole thing.
Anyways, if you guys were real conservatives, you'd stop worrying about this little pledge and focus on the fact that the pledge is taking place in an enormous public education system, a socialist monstrosity which has been constructed right under your noses.
Remember the one about the frog and the pot?  How's the water feel?

[Eagler]

"forcing the kids to say"

hmm, they standing there with cattle prods shocking the little spleeves when they refuse to recite it?

they can't even get them to sit still & shut up in class let alone say a pledge

this isn't about the kids, it is about the RETARDED adults out there

I was "forced to pray" in Catholic school - the HORROR of it all!! If I didn't feel like it, I mumbled the words just like the rest of the kids did then and I am sure they still do today..

Strike one up for the Atheists!

[FUNKED1]

OK replace "force" with "induce".  Whatever floats your boat.  It has zero utility, and if people are going to whine about it, IMHO it's better to scrap it instead of wasting time and money fiddlyfarting around about it.

BTW Catholic school is privately funded and operated and has no relevance to this discussion.

[Eagler]

I see now ...

it's all about "MindControl" ... LOL

it's worked so well on the present batch of "induced" adults

[miko2d]

Eagler: when they refuse to recite it?

 According to our laws, children are not capable of either givinng concent or refusing whatever the adults in charge demand of them.

 So you can't say it's a child's responcibility to refuse the pledge that the figure of authority administers - no more than it's a child's responcibility to refuse sex.

 Next thing you will say is that children can refuse some classes or consent to sex with adults.

 It's parents (and government) who decide how children are raised and if you have problem going to a Catholic school, take it with your parents.

 A parent sends a kid to school and says "do what your teachers tell you". A parent cannot withdraw funding from a school that violates Constitution.

 A child is not born with critical thinking required to make this kind of decisions and it is one of the school responcibilities to teach that.
 How the heck is the child supposed to reject the Plege based on its unconstitutionality if he gets to recite the plege at from 5 years old but only gets to read the text of the Constitution, let alone study the underlying philosophy, when he is a teenager?


FUNKED1: OK replace "force" with "induce". Whatever floats your boat. It has zero utility,...

 You are wrong here. It has great utility. State education works exactly as designed by its socialist creators (starting with Otto von Bismark) - using the fact that at young age children's brains are absorbing information without critical processing it creates peons for the state.

 miko

[miko2d]

Eagler: it's worked so well on the present batch of "induced" adults

 Riiiight.... The same people who rose to be slaughtered in droves and even begged the french into defeating british for them because of 3% taxes now think that 50% taxes is being "undertaxed". How did that happen?

 miko

[10Bears]

Well if they take out "under God".. then they have to take out "witches stand"

[Rude]

Originally posted by DmdNexus
>>the tards the freedom of this country has produced

Is that the best arguement you got Eagle? Calling someone a name. Yah that IS pretty retarded of YOU. Can't even spell the word can you.


>>the US was founded on the God of the Bible

Actually... no it wasn't.

The majority of the founders were Christian, and they believed in a Christian God... but they also believed that State and Church were separate enties with separate purposes.

A man's church and beliefs attends to his spirit, and the government attends to laws, common good, justice, and defense.

The framers of the constition saw these purpose as distinct and separate, and that is why they crafted constitution to deliberately separates church and state. They also did not want the same church based government that was existant in Europe, which established one belief system and persecuted all others.

This country is founded upon the US Constitution - NOT the Christian bible.

And also remember at that time these so called Christians also thought it was perfectly acceptable to enslave men and considered the status of women as just a little high than property and little lower than a good field horse.

Oh yah let's bring back those Good Ol' moral Christian principles - just like our Founding Fathers had.

Remember most of them were smugglers (Hancock), slave owners (nearly all), land speculators (Washington),  brothel owners (Franklin), crooks (nealry all), vandels (nearly all), and they all were rebels (all).

The God of our founding fathers was that of the Bible.

Seperation of church and state does not exist in the US Constitiution, but in a letter.

Just what are you so fearful of? Do you believe christians today are in favor of slavery, smuggling, brothel owning, etc?

Which of the teachings of Jesus Christ are bad for our nation and it's people? Give me some examples.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by 10Bears
Well if they take out "under God".. then they have to take out "witches stand"

LOL

[DmdNexus]

>>Seperation of church and state does not exist in the US Constitiution, but in a letter.

I'm talking with an intellectual giant here.

And which letter world that be? The letter "O"? For "O"riface... as in you have no clue and are talking out of your oriface?

The Supreme court doesn't rule on matters regarding "letters."
These learned justices - mostly appointed by conservative presidents.... rule on matters concerning the US Consititution.

Which has been interpretted over the last 200 years to expressly separate the roles of church and state.

As for the bible... what's that passage? "An eye for an eye", and the "wages of sin are death", and "Lot slept with his daughters and God was pleased, and blessed him with tribe of Moab"

Oh yah the bible is a very moral book, full of adultery, slavery, child molestation, vengence, greed, every sin imaginable - Yes, I want my children reading that pornagraphic and hate filled book.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by DmdNexus

As for the bible... what's that passage? "An eye for an eye", and the "wages of sin are death", and "Lot slept with his daughters and God was pleased, and blessed him with tribe of Moab"

Oh yah the bible is a very moral book, full of adultery, slavery, child molestation, vengence, greed, every sin imaginable - Yes, I want my children reading that pornagraphic and hate filled book.

Bah, that's all old school God, full of rightous anger. Rude's talking about Jesus, God's nicer Son. You know, the guy who's like a hippy, but smells better?

-Sik