Author Topic: Envoy denies allegations about CIA in Venezuela (Read 1321 times)

straffo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:13:33 AM »

I don't understand the link between 9/11 and Venezuela ???

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #16 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:16:31 AM »

There isnt one. I was commenting on his ridiculus notion that the "War On Terror" in general is fake and really an "OilWar", I guess we wnt to Afgahnistan to steal their oil - or was it to build a pipleine or what. 911 is why we are fighting this war, anyone who thinks otherwise has anti-US bias and simply wants to see the USA as a bad guy...

crabofix · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:47:12 AM »

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But call it "Oilwars" not "War on terrorism"

Yea try to weazel out of it.... It's really funny this urge in you to marginalize the outrage, magnitude and impact of 911. As you allready said you are Anti-US - so I understand why it is difficult for you to sympathise with our point of view because of your prejudice.

How come I always get so tired arguing with you GRUN and how come you always stay up this late/early?
I am starting to suspect that you infact are still in Yugoslavia and that you being in "Amireeka" is just a dream of yours.
I declear that I mostly pick the "anti US" side, but it does not mean that I am Anti US.
Yes, I bash on them ( I will not say you, because I really doubt you are a US citizen) because their arrogance and because they are so Biased. If they just would open their eyes and admitt, it would´nt be any problems. No, they live in a world of dreams, just like you GRUN, they are just seeing what they want to see.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:00:16 AM »

I say up late to annoy you - isnt it obvious? But honestly I donno why, last few weeks I wake up really early like at 2AM but I go to sleep earlier as well likew at 8 or 9 PM as well.. But yea lets just agree that it's to annoy you..

As for my US citizenship. I have been a naturalized US citizen for almost a decade now - dont be jelous.

crabofix · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:15:21 AM »

Very good.
Then you are infact in the US and stayes up just to annoy me. Thats great, GRUN. I am very jealouse of you, cause in my heart and mind I would really want to be you.

You see: My life is very boring and I am just another unemployed Europe. I would love to be traveling over there, maybe I start an agency and could have stars like Dixie chicks to handle, maybe even Johnny Cash, if he was´nt gone, bless him.
What the heck, why not Elvis? Or atleast his show.
(I hate when my imagination are held up by the facts of reality).

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:22:07 AM »

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I hate when my imagination are held up by the facts of reality.

I have noticed that you struggle with that in your posts..

crabofix · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:25:43 AM »

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I have noticed that you struggle with that in your posts..

Yes, you don´t seam to have any problems with that....

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:27:28 AM »

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Yes, you don´t seam to have any problems with that....

Thank you!

Maybe we can talk about it and I can help you...

crabofix · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:35:11 AM »

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Thank you! Maybe we can talk about it and I can help you...

Now, we should be real lucky that skuzzy is sound asleep otherwise this tread would be closed longtime ago, we are both way out of the original post. If you want to I can start a tread where we bash on to eachother?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:40:27 AM »

My intent is not to bash you, in fact I'm practically attempting to be friendly all things considered...

crabofix · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:50:51 AM »

Ok, sounds good, but if you change your mind, just post a thread "GRUN VS CRAB", I mean, you might feel better afterwards.
I dont think it´s fair to the original poster to "steal away" the tread. Or did you have anything to say about the CIA in Venezuela or Bolivia?

Toad · « **Reply #26 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:56:01 AM »

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because their arrogance and because they are so Biased. If they just would open their eyes and admitt,

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** October 16, 2003, 06:56:43 AM »

I think Hugo Chavez is a dangerous and outdated communist wannabe dictator in the mold of past socialist lying criminals and honestly I'd be concerned if we are not trying to help the considerable opposition to his rule in Venezuela. To me its pretty simple, communism = no good. YMMV

crabofix · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2003, 07:11:31 AM »

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I think Hugo Chavez is a dangerous and outdated communist dictator in the mold of past socialist lying criminals and honestly I'd be concerned if we are not trying to help the considerable opposition to his rule in Venezuela. To me its pretty simple, communism = no good. YMMV

As I said: I cant have an opinion, because I dont know what the facts are exactly. But theres a lot of disturbance in Bolivia, concerning Oil/Gas exports to the US.
However: I do not think that the US would really mind, who was rulling in Venezuela, if it was´nt because of their Oil possesion.

Communism has not been in fashion for a while.
But I would´nt call an elected President: a Dictator. If there ever was any elections. But according to Thrawns post, it must have been.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2003, 07:23:56 AM »

I edited it to say wannabe dictator - I think thats a more accurate description as to how I see him.

Lets remember Saddam Hussein was recently reelected with 99% of the vote... Thankfully some outside elections monitors noticed something funny was going on decided to nullify the result...

Allow me to adress the oil concern more broadly. The only reason anyone gives a damn about the Arabs and other 2nd or 3rd world people like them is because of oil - their control of it is a fact of life that does not change one bit no matter who is in the white house or downing street or whatever. We have to deal with them, no way around it untill new technology comes out that totally removes our depandance on petroleum for enery and manufactiring purposes. It's that simple.