My LW plane list for AH2.

[Rutilant]

We do have air to air rockets, but they're useless because a nearby airburst (nearby as in, part of the burst graphic is inside the bomber) does nothing, and a direct hit is the only useful thing, in which you may as well use american HVAR rockets or even better, your guns, considering the range you'll have to be at to his reliably

[Kweassa]

El Glassoid, doesn't our D-9 already have the MW50?

 Or did you mean those special JV44 D-9s with enhanced low/mid alt performance??

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Doesn't our D-9 already have the MW50?

Yes, it does.

[moot]

re: D9:
There was a conclusion that our D9 is only 1920ps or so, whereas one of the LW D9 was 2100 or more, and it wasn't the JV44 specials.
Either that or more power for the 152's GM1. Pyro was willing to explain MW50 but not GM1, would be satisfying to either be told why or just told we're not going to get an explanation at all, close the debate.

re WGr21:
They are killer, just need to have them hit or be just near the bombers. Saw one burst kill two and badly damage the third of a B17 formation on one occasion.
They are as effective as other rockets when a2g for vulching. They used to work as well also on GVs, but the DM revision probably changed that.

[keyapaha]

The only LW plane I want to see is the Ju188 that's one beutiful bomber.

[AHGOD]

Originally posted by Kweassa
El Glassoid, doesn't our D-9 already have the MW50?

 Or did you mean those special JV44 D-9s with enhanced low/mid alt performance??

Ah yes the polished Doras of the Sachsenberg Schwarm.  When you have guys that flat out say it was the fastest down low they knew what they had their hands on.  Considering they never went above 1000 meters that is saying something.

[MaddDog]

Cool, i never knew we had air to air rockets, i thought people just used the ground rockets for air to air, ill have to go try this out abit see what happens.

[MaddDog]

Heres some info i gatherd on 190D development, varients, loads etc.

Further development of the already proven A series began with the Fw-190Ds

The first production 190Ds were fitted with Jumo 213A engines,the more powerful D-9,D-10 and D-15 can be considerd the peak of 190 development.

Oct, 1944 D-9s were first equipped with the Jumo 213A-1 which was later replaced with the Jumo 213C-1, Armament first consisted of 2 MG 131s placed on the fuselodge and 2 MG 151/20s, 2 further MG 151/20s or 2 MK 108s could be placed in the wing, in which case the MG 131s in the fuselodge were removed.

Only 2 examples of the D-10 with the Jumo 213C-1 and one MK 108 were produced and after tests in the summer of 1944 they became part of the Ta-152 programme.

The D-11 was the all weather version of the D and differd mainly in the use of the Jumo 213F-1 engine with super charger,Factory summary on 15 Oct 1944 decided no series production was to begin, at the begining of 1945 head of TLR decided to begin production of the D-11 by spring. The MK 108 and MG 151 armament was to remain the same, up to the end of the war there were just some 7 D-11s

In 1944 air minestry decided to orederd the series production of the D-12 from December with the Jumo 213E engine and MW50 injection system(later replaced with the Jumo 213F-1 engine)and also required the 2 stage supercharger to be available, if possible, Armament consisted of one central MK108 cannon and 2 MG 151/20s in the wing roots, the D-12 could also serve as a torpedo launcher for the D-9 series which as coming to an end,D-12 production began in 1945

The D-13 differed from the D-11 and D-12 only in that it replaced the MK108 with the MG 151/20.

The high alt D-14 based on the D-9 carried the DB 603LA engine,this varient was part of the forward plan in 1945, it was then used for development of the 152 as production was failing and the DB 605s were intended for 152s, the same can be said for the high alt D-15 based on the D-14 it was powerd by the DB 603G and armament consisted of 2 MK 108s and 2 MG 151/20s.

Theres what i found on 190Ds, from what i read it didnt say anything about GM-1 injection, just the MW50, btw my source is mainly "The Luftwaffe Album" great book lots of info also info gatherd from some other books and web sites.

[OverBkil]

Originally posted by moot
F8 with real loadouts, like panzerblitz, that huge bomb etc.

If you mean the 1800 kg bomb, it was the FW-190G-series that was able to carry it. G1 was derived from A5, but had strengthened landing gear. It also had wing racks for bombs or 300-litre drop tanks.

[DiabloTX]

Come on guys, everyone knows that all we really need is the Ho-229.  

[AHGOD]

Originally posted by MaddDog
Heres some info i gatherd on 190D development, varients, loads etc.

Further development of the already proven A series began with the Fw-190Ds

The first production 190Ds were fitted with Jumo 213A engines,the more powerful D-9,D-10 and D-15 can be considerd the peak of 190 development.

Oct, 1944 D-9s were first equipped with the Jumo 213A-1 which was later replaced with the Jumo 213C-1, Armament first consisted of 2 MG 131s placed on the fuselodge and 2 MG 151/20s, 2 further MG 151/20s or 2 MK 108s could be placed in the wing, in which case the MG 131s in the fuselodge were removed.

Only 2 examples of the D-10 with the Jumo 213C-1 and one MK 108 were produced and after tests in the summer of 1944 they became part of the Ta-152 programme.

The D-11 was the all weather version of the D and differd mainly in the use of the Jumo 213F-1 engine with super charger,Factory summary on 15 Oct 1944 decided no series production was to begin, at the begining of 1945 head of TLR decided to begin production of the D-11 by spring. The MK 108 and MG 151 armament was to remain the same, up to the end of the war there were just some 7 D-11s

In 1944 air minestry decided to orederd the series production of the D-12 from December with the Jumo 213E engine and MW50 injection system(later replaced with the Jumo 213F-1 engine)and also required the 2 stage supercharger to be available, if possible, Armament consisted of one central MK108 cannon and 2 MG 151/20s in the wing roots, the D-12 could also serve as a torpedo launcher for the D-9 series which as coming to an end,D-12 production began in 1945

The D-13 differed from the D-11 and D-12 only in that it replaced the MK108 with the MG 151/20.

The high alt D-14 based on the D-9 carried the DB 603LA engine,this varient was part of the forward plan in 1945, it was then used for development of the 152 as production was failing and the DB 605s were intended for 152s, the same can be said for the high alt D-15 based on the D-14 it was powerd by the DB 603G and armament consisted of 2 MK 108s and 2 MG 151/20s.

Theres what i found on 190Ds, from what i read it didnt say anything about GM-1 injection, just the MW50, btw my source is mainly "The Luftwaffe Album" great book lots of info also info gatherd from some other books and web sites.

MADDOG, teh production quotes for the D-11 are way off.  THere were actually quite a few produced.  Don't have the figures but I have that book and there are a ton of inaccuracies in it.  Good book though for spending a good 30 minutes on the head.

[Glasses]

Well I think our Dora is the one with Fuel Injection of high octane fuel the 1900 Dora the MW-50 Dora gave out 2k+ HP

[Wilbus]

190 A9.

[Batz]

Glasses is right about our Dora, and that’s the only one we need really. Our Dora is 1900ps with c3 injection (so it seems)

No more wonderwaffe BS.

109s

109e4/b w/DB601N or 109e7/b
109f2
109g6/as
109g14
109k4

The reason we need a g6/as and a g14 is because the g6as is better for high alt and the g14 is a better for low alt ostfront stuff. With our G10 we could do without the g6/as and k4. But wtf we are dreaming right?

That’s all the 109s we need

190s

190a2
190a3/4 (we don’t need either but pick one anyway)
190a6
190a9

The a2 allows the 190 to get introduced earlier especially in events. An a3/a4 is just there to squelch the whines some throw out when we use the a5 as a replacement. The a6 adds 4 x mg151/20mm. The a9 just kicks arse. We don’t need a 190d9 with mw50 or one that’s tweaked for low alt. The D9 we got kicks arse as is. We don’t need any D11s or any of that especially considering "need" across the plane set.

Ju87s

Ju87b2
Ju87G

That’s it

Ju88s

Ju88a1 or a5 (a5 is easier because its same airframe as a4 but slower)
Ju88c6 (Fighter variant)

Bombers

He111
Do17z
Ju188
He177

That’s covers all we need.

210/410

Pic one it don’t matter.

Karnak's list is a more realistic one. Except no ju188.

Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14 (if we have to pic take the g14 as it will get more main time)
Fw190A-2
He111 (need this for BoB)
Me410B-2

But we need planes from other countries. The lw in ah face all late war USAAF and VVS Stuff. IIRC all the USAAF stuff except the p40 is 1944+. The VVS have a yak9u and la7. The la5fn and yak9t are ok but we need laggs migs and early yaks. Then the Japanese need more then any other country. With Pac we face the same situation.

Then the RAF has a crappy spit 9.

Its taken 3 + years to get the planes we got. If you are seriously looking for "new planes" they you need to narrow your search considerably. Expect no more then 1 or 2 to be introduced. So pick wisely and campaign for something thats has a real likelyhood of getting introduced.

[Batz]

Some clarification on the 109g6, 109g6/as and 109g14.

The 109g6 we have now is the early one with the DB605a1 and NO mw50.

What we need is the G14.

The  G14 had the DB605A-1 but with MW 50 (DB605AM). It was in service from spring 44 on.

The the G6/as would be an high alt fighter and mostly used for west front bomber intercept scenarios.

We dont need a g14/ASM (DB605ASM). The DB605AS engine had a higher rated alt then even the DB605d used on our g10. Theres no need for mw50 up there. The AS eng would suck at low med alt. So just give us a gustav with a DB605AM and that is the 109g14.

FYI a G14 is just a g6 + MW50.

We would get more use out of the g14 for low med alt fights. The only reason we would need/want a g6/as is for high alt stuff but even so our g10 can fill that gap just like it can for the k4.

So no G6/ASM or G14/ASM. Just give us a g14.