130 known ammunition caches many of which are more than twice the size of Manhattan

[Gixer]

Simply on the ever growing possibility that were never any WMD to start with.

Intelligence agencies have had months/years gathering intelligence on Iraq's WMD's and the sites of greatest possibilty all returning zero.

Current theories that the odd shell or barrel might be scattered across ammo dumps over the country is starting to sound a little desperate, compared to the evidence and arguments given before the war.

It will be very interesting to see what happens in a few more months when the Bush Administration's hand picked weapons guy completes his final report.

If he returns nothing, it will unfortunetly spell a quick end for Blair's leadership. Especially since the war in UK is extremely unpopular.




...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~

Originally posted by Lazerus
What do you base your opinion on?

Do you discount the fact that there are several hundred thousand square miles of ammunition dumps that have to be searched?

I'm actually curious how you come to the conclusion that a 6 month time frame is sufficient given the enormity of the search involved. I actually felt that we would find them right away myself at first, but after learning a bit more about the situation, I feel that more time is needed before calling the game.

[Maniac]

concealed, that is, from the hapless Hans Blix.

That comment alone shows the credibility of that article.. Can you say bias?

Americans

[10Bears]

Thx Gunther,

Here’s another very good article if the righties would only read it.. They won’t it’s written by Seymour Hersh. It’s called “The StovePipe”.. How info that never was vetted, got stove piped to the highest reaches of government. Very interesting.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

The point is not that the President and his senior aides were consciously lying. What was taking place was much more systematic—and potentially just as troublesome. Kenneth Pollack, a former National Security Council expert on Iraq, whose book “The Threatening Storm” generally supported the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein, told me that what the Bush people did was “dismantle the existing filtering process that for fifty years had been preventing the policymakers from getting bad information. They created stovepipes to get the information they wanted directly to the top leadership. Their position is that the professional bureaucracy is deliberately and maliciously keeping information from them.

[udet]

Blow them up on live TV next July 4th!!!!

[Eagler]

if we find your WMD fine, if we don't fine ..

Iraq is better off now as is the entire Middle East

anyone else see Iran back tracking? Think they would be if we weren't right next door?

the libs talk a mean story, like to stand around and wring their hands and talk - alot of that happened '92-'00. It got us 9/11.

days of inaction are over

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Ya know, they are not as stupid as you think they are. With an invasion looming, do you think they would leave a WMD cache around for America to say "see, we told you!"? They are either destroyed or shipped out to OBL in Pakistan.( that place where we draw the line of distinction between terrorists and the people who harbor them)

Riddle me this... in the past any time Saddam had WMD he used them, he used mustard gas on the Iranians, and the kurds,

He fired scuds in to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

He knew this time the fight with America would be to depose him and remove him from power...

It would being to the death... and given that the US tried to kill OBL....

Why didn't Saddam use his WMD?

Could it be.... could it be.... he doesn't have any?

His people now are comitting acts of suicide to kill US troops...

If there are WMD, some Iraqis know....
It would be a great blow against the "great satan" to light off one of those Ricin Suicide bombs and kill 100 American Soldiers.

Wouldn't it?

yet it hasn't happened.....

Could it be... could it be.. there are no WMD?

Ok let Kay look through the rest of the 130 weapons cache.

And when he comes up empty...

I told you so!

If Saddam had WMD... he would have used them!

[Holden McGroin]

Today's understatement:

If Saddam did not have WMD's he certainly played his poker hand unwisely.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
Every day that goes by, I begin to think a little more that we may actually find something sooner or later.  I am still amazed at the caches that our grunts are finding.

Thursday, October 23, 2003
 
BAGHDAD, Iraq  — U.S. forces acted on a tip about an Iraqi weapons supply Thursday and ended up discovering a much larger find — a hidden cache of buried surface-to-air missiles and mines.
 
Military officials are still tallying the cache but have retrieved at least 317 4-foot rockets and 220 anti-tank mines. Fox News had exclusive access to the military during the operation about 45 miles south of Baghdad.

4-foot rockets!?

Unbelievable!

They are definetly weapons of mass destruction! Allmighty PZRK Strela, the mainstay of Soviet nuclear shield!

Damn, this portable SAMs are a company/batallion air defence. No doubt, they were a direct threat to the US!

Does anyone except me have an impression that someone tries to crap into their brains?... This "WMD" arguments are more and more idiotic.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Boroda
4-foot rockets!?

Unbelievable!

They are definetly weapons of mass destruction! Allmighty PZRK Strela, the mainstay of Soviet nuclear shield!

Damn, this portable SAMs are a company/batallion air defence. No doubt, they were a direct threat to the US!

Does anyone except me have an impression that someone tries to crap into their brains?... This "WMD" arguments are more and more idiotic.

Wouldn't you like to know what is in the warheads before deciding there are no WMDs in this cache. Or have you assumed they've already examined them all?

[-dead-]

Originally posted by JBA

I have been to medical school, and I have never heard of Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever.

I don't know one doctor in 100 who has. It is a rare disease, and you can be sure that Hussein was not seeking a cure. ……

So rare in fact that according to the WHO "The disease is endemic in many countries in Africa, Europe and Asia, and during 2001, cases or outbreaks have been recorded in Kosovo, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, and South Africa." Just in case the word "endemic" was another thing you missed at medical school, it means:

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913):
Endemic \En*de"mic\
Peculiar to a district or particular locality, or class of persons; as, an endemic disease.

Note: An endemic disease is one which is constantly present to a greater or less degree in any place, as distinguished from an epidemic disease, which prevails widely at some one time, or periodically, and from a sporadic disease, of which a few instances occur now and then.

Of course that wouldn't apply to Iraq:


So as you point out - no reason for them to be looking for a cure, at all, at all.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by -dead-
So rare in fact that according to the WHO "The disease is endemic in many countries in Africa, Europe and Asia, and during 2001, cases or outbreaks have been recorded in Kosovo, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, and South Africa." Just in case the word "endemic" was another thing you missed at medical school, it means:  Of course that wouldn't apply to Iraq:


So as you point out - no reason for them to be looking for a cure, at all, at all.

How many cases of this disease were documented?

How much research was dedicated to more prevolent diseases in Iraq such as cancer, heart disease etc.'


A few things bother me.

1) If SH had WMD, why did he not use them against the US? Is it possible the decision he made to divide defense amound 4 people spread his power base, and none of those 4 could be reached or could make the decision to use said weapons on their own? Is it possible, these 4 feared a warcrimes trial?

2) SH did have WMD at one time as he did in fact use said weapons.

3) How much space does a WMD take? Can a vial of biotoxin wipe out a city? Are we talking about weapons small enough to fit into a fridge, or requiring a warehouse facility? The smaller they are, the easier to hide.

4) If GWB is a liar, why does he not just have the WMD's planted? Is it because he might not get away with it, or because he has some integrity and would rather suffer the consequences than to have to lie. I mean, according to some, this man is a bald faced liar...whats one more lie to save his butt?

5) Isn't Iraq the country that buried an entire air force?

6) If SH did not have WMDs why did he constantly block weapoins inspecors from the UN? Was he not interested in getting the sanctions lifted? Whoud he rather lose power than allow inspections? If he had nothing to hide, he made the worst decision I've ever seen. He is out of power, on the run, living like an animal, and he HAD nothing to hide...right?

[DmdNexus]

Bush justification for invoking the War Powers Act and attacking in SELF DEFENCE were:

1. Saddam has (not had) STOCKPILES of WMD
2. These WMD are READY to use against the USA with in 45 minutes.
3. US has irrefutable evidence Saddam has WMD

Let's see what Kay finds... search all the 130 weapons caches.

The fact that weapons caches of convention weapons are found... is not evidence of WMD. Every soveign nation is allowed to have conventional weapons - even dictatorships.

When WMD are found, the world will recognize this, and it will be plastered all over the news. There will be no doubt.

That has not happen yet - plenty of false alarms reported by FOX news... which were later quietly retracted... when it was found to be pesticides or fertilizer (That's the White Houses largest export)

I would say that if no WMD are found by time Bush is removed from office, then there never was any.

It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by DmdNexus


It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.

So then why does'nt the administration just plant the WMD there?

I mean, they are liars, after all.

[JBA]

DmdNexus <--------------still being ignored.  
Your annoying. Try to make some since without being incensing

[AKIron]

Originally posted by DmdNexus
It's been 6 months... let's be fair and give the liars another year.

Before you do what? Whine some more?