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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2003, 12:22:14 PM »
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Udie, NATO has proven that it's an agressive block, aimed at Eastern Europe/USSR/Russia, not defencive but agressive. Our attempts to defend lasted for 50 years, but we failed - and you can see the result.


Yeah, the result is that Warsaw pact countries are now free, as well as many of the Soviet republics and Germany is reunited , with the former East Germans finally knowing what it's like to be able to leave their country if they choose ( without being shot)

Have some more Vodka. I like the results.
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2003, 12:36:03 PM »
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Yeah, the result is that Warsaw pact countries are now free, as well as many of the Soviet republics and Germany is reunited , with the former East Germans finally knowing what it's like to be able to leave their country if they choose ( without being shot)

Have some more Vodka. I like the results.


You don't think the fall of the Warsaw pact had more to do with the fact that communism as an socio-economic system doesn't work?

And Eastern Europeans... look over the iron curtain as the posperous West and were envious of their standard of living... and wanted to have the same prosperity?

And as the old guard died... and the government was replaced by eastern Europeans that wanted a different way of life ....

so it has nothing to with perastroka... and glastnost... and Poland's prosperity after it broke away.. and Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania's prosperity after they broke away and became free markets.

No... that would make too much sense.

I do believe it must have been all the nuclear bombs that were never dropped that changed the minds of millions... Sure... that's the ticket... let's buy more bombs!

Perhaps we can change the minds of the Chinese's too..
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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2003, 12:41:14 PM »
^ hmm I remember gorby saying something about it was Reagan.  But that couldn't be right because everybody knows the Soviets were better than some idiot actor Republican.
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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2003, 12:44:07 PM »
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Rofl ...nope not a sticker salesman but judgeing by all your signatures I was just curious if you were one of those people who felt some need to plaster all of their philosophies on the back of their car.


how many do I have?
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2003, 12:46:45 PM »
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No... that would make too much sense.




Unlike you with your half baked arguments. Heck, you don't even argue, you simply spout off things seemingly at random.
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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2003, 12:53:58 PM »
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It's not as funny as an American saying he is afraid of Russian invasion.

How many times continental US have been invaded? Now compare it to Russian experience in last 1000 years (since we adopted Christianity) and think if we have to believe in peacefull intentions of our Western neighbours.

BTW, can someone finaly explain me why NATO needs bases in Estonia and builds long-range radars there, that can cover all the airspace of North-Western Russia? Maybe they built it against Finland?...:confused:


No but maybe Finland wanted it because they were afraid of the soviet union?

btw it was the soviet union that built the wall and mined the space in-between and shot anyone trying to leave the country--I dont recall anyone from the west side being shot trying to get INTO the soviet union? except a spy or 2----

What I find disturbing is that you know the wall was built to keep people IN --not to stop any invasion.....and act like it wasnt ever there.
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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2003, 12:54:42 PM »
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Yeah, the result is that Warsaw pact countries are now free, as well as many of the Soviet republics and Germany is reunited , with the former East Germans finally knowing what it's like to be able to leave their country if they choose ( without being shot)

Have some more Vodka. I like the results.


Well, I look at this problem from the different side of former Iron Curtain.

East Germans surely can leave Germany, but for the majority of exUSSR population borders are closed again - this time from YOUR side. And US still has sanctions against Russia for not letting Jews emigrate (!!!).

Majority of the population from former Soviet republics want to live in USSR again.

We have only one "superpower" now that can now bomb, slaughter and invade independant countries without facing any serious opposition.

Also please notice that Europe didn't become a safer place now - you guys already started a full-scale war in 1999 to support Albanian terrorists. And American troops still are in Europe with all their nuclear arsenal, regardless to the fact that Soviat Army withdrew 10 years ago. Now NATO is spreading eastwards. Must be against China :rolleyes:
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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2003, 01:03:47 PM »
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No but maybe Finland wanted it because they were afraid of the soviet union?


There must be something with my English :(

There is no more Soviet Union for 12 years already.

Finland is not a NATO member.

They are building radar stations in Estonia now. In Soviet times we had our own radar sites there. Now our "friends" from NATO build their military bases there. Must be against Finland.
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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2003, 01:13:30 PM »
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Well, I look at this problem from the different side of former Iron Curtain.

East Germans surely can leave Germany, but for the majority of exUSSR population borders are closed again - this time from YOUR side. And US still has sanctions against Russia for not letting Jews emigrate (!!!).

Majority of the population from former Soviet republics want to live in USSR again.

We have only one "superpower" now that can now bomb, slaughter and invade independant countries without facing any serious opposition.

Also please notice that Europe didn't become a safer place now - you guys already started a full-scale war in 1999 to support Albanian terrorists. And American troops still are in Europe with all their nuclear arsenal, regardless to the fact that Soviat Army withdrew 10 years ago. Now NATO is spreading eastwards. Must be against China :rolleyes:


No the borders are guarded more closely to slow down the immigration of so many people trying to leave the former satelite countrys of the former ussr, because their economys were totaly wrecked by russia, they are looking for europe to provide for  them what russia could not...Food, clothing-not getting shot for no reason..

Well I suppose that my relatives in Finland are completely wrong when talking (now that they can) to relatives in former ussr countrys, saying that they wish russia would completely leave and would quit stealing everything not nailed down.....

hmm last I counted the Chinese have the largest population in the world and is still considered a "super" power ......

Seems to me that a full scale war was already raging in albania long before we got involved --and only got involved when the "combatants" started killing anything that moved(learned from the Soviet Army)........

But then again my friend I no longer live near the region and do not hate the Russians like a awful lot of my Finnish relatives do..
I would guess it is a matter like the one I posted ealier in this thread---If you would care to read it......
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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2003, 01:45:30 PM »
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huh...us doesnt have to pay most of it...33 billion is over half the cost...learn some math

IIRC: The $33bn was along the lines of:

$20bn US
$5bn Japan
$3bn-$5bn World Bank (16.8% of which will be from the US)
$4.35bn over three years from IMF (17.5% of which will be from the US)
$1bn Saudi Arabia
$1bn Kuwait
$835m Britain
$300m Spain
$231m European Union
$200m South Korea
$174m Italy
$150m Canada
$32.6m Sweden
$5.9m Belgium

And the shortfall ($23bn) supposedly will be made up the US as well.
Still, at least they get to keep their SUVs for a few years more.
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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2003, 05:25:21 PM »
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I don't think Europeans were happy having B-52s cruising over their heads 24/7, each carrying 5 hydrogen bombs, and sometimes dropping them down on their villages.

Udie, NATO has proven that it's an agressive block, aimed at Eastern Europe/USSR/Russia, not defencive but agressive. Our attempts to defend lasted for 50 years, but we failed - and you can see the result.


Umm.. maybe I missed this but whom did the US drop Hydrogen bombs on in Europe?

Great job defending eastern europe with a 10 to one tank advantage and 25 to one artillary advantage..  oh, and 3 times as many troops including those evil Americans who btw pump billions of dollars into the host countries.  Ya, that makes sense.  How about saying Udie, your right..
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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2003, 05:39:33 PM »
We dropped Nucs on Spanish fish, Rabbit.

edit-But I am pretty sure we didn't fly any B52's over EU at any time, much less armed with nucs.
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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2003, 06:42:07 PM »
Thats not what he said...  and those fish had it coming.

Baroda, mind getting your facts straight?  or am I still missing something?
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