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• [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« on: November 25, 2008, 11:40:36 PM »
• [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •



FORCES FIELDED (THOSE WHO JOINED THE POSTED MISSIONS)
Many others spawned manually so they could use their preferred skin
so the actual number of aircraft we fielded is approximately 30% greater
than the numbers reported.


1st Combat Bombardment Wing
16/25 • 91st Bomb Wing  (B-17G)  CO: Tarstar (LCA)
18/25 • 381st Bomb Wing (B-17G)  CO: 96Delta (LCA)
16/25 • 398th Bomb Wing (B-17G) CO: Hornet79 (LCA)
TOTAL: 50 pilots (150 bombers)
We've done better than this during non-MoM missions organized
during gameplay.  I really hope that these numbers grow for
the next MoM.


67th Fighter Wing
14/20 • 364th Fighter Group (P-38L) CO: Hightone (LCA)
16/20 • 352nd Fighter Group (P-47D-25)  CO: GGhost (79th Fighter Group)
16/20 • 356th Fighter Group (P-51D) CO: Dakone (LCA)
10/10 • 3rd Scout Force (P-51D) CO: A8popysd (Aces & 8's)
TOTAL: 56 fighters

TABLE OF ORGANIZATION & EQUIPMENT



DISPOSITION OF FORCES



SUMMARY

Our launch was troubling as we relied on the game clock
to stagger our launches.  Unfortunately, I think it
it ran fast so the timing was off from the mission's
inception.  We had intended to launch 3 groups with
one minute between them, then form up and assemble our
vertical stacking formation for maximum defensive
effect.  But instead of the staggered launches
we ended up spawning all over each other.  It was a mess.

Once we got airborne and proceeded to target,
enemy aircraft were located by the 3rd Scout Force.
The enemy force detected was already higher than the scouts
that had launched 10 minutes before the bombers.  Not so good.

These early intercepts consisted mostly of Me-262
fighters and Ta-152's.  Once located, we vectored in our
fighter interceptor group, the 356th FG who went to
work carving up the enemy force with great success.

Some of the 262's got through as did several Ta-152
and other fighters but those early arrivals faired poorly,
with most losing their lives in twisted Luftwaffe
steel. I don't think that any of them landed any kills.
Those that got past the fighter sweeps died in the
bomber stream or at the hands of our close escort groups.

All along, the bombers were pretty strung out after our botched
launch but we attempted to close up after the first enemy
wave was beaten back.  But, while we were grouping up and at
about 25K, another enemy force hit us from our right flank!

The first bomb group in the force was the 381st Bomb
Group (GREEN) under the command of 96Delta.  This group
bore the brunt of the enemy's initial assaults and
suffered horrific casualties, losing approximately
80% of its bombers.  The remaining bomb groups, the
91st Bomb Group (RED) and the 398th Bomb Group (BLUE)
faired a bit better and tried to close as fast as
they could to join GREEN group to offer defensive
assistance.

We recalled the 356th FG in their P-51's to help us and our
close escorts deal with this new threat.  The 356th FG and
our close escort forces, the 364th FG in their P-38's and the
352nd FG with their P-47's, took them on as they vied for
access to the bombers.  Our fighter groups did an
absolutely marvelous job of denying enemy fighters their
preferred angles of attack and stayed with us the whole
way until forced to rtb due to low fuel. 
A most outstanding performance!

After we slaughtered these two initial waves of resistance
we were only met with token, sporadic and unorganized
opposition during the rest of our trip to target. 
We resumed our climb, attaining 30K where the B-17
survivors of the earlier attacks grouped up and we
finally coalesced into a single unified bomb group.

Tallying up our losses, we still had about one-half to
one third of our original bomber force available so we
proceeded to our first target, a Knight city.  Again,
enemy resistance was essentially broken and we easily
delivered our ordnance on the city, reducing it to 4%.

We then turned to attack our secondary target, a Knight
refinery.  Again, limited resistance was encountered
and we reduced the refinery to 48% capacity.

We began our descent to 139 which was under heavy enemy
attack but our refueled fighters were re-upping from
there to join us and as a result, they busted up the
Knight attempt to take 139 with ease, securing the
base for our safe recovery.

After landing we posed from some photos, remembered
our fallen comrades who fought bravely at our side
and then busted open a bottle of champagne and saluted
each other in victory!

All things considered, I had a great time although I
was frustrated at our poor start.  When we met the
first waves of enemy resistance at 20K I thought that,
if that level of opposition persisted,  none of us
would even make it to the primary target!  Despite
the poor start, and due to the cooperation of the
bombers and the bomb group commanders, we were able
to salvage the operation.

In spite of these hardships, we exacted a terrible toll
the enemy. Hardly any Me-262's or Ta-152's made it out of
the bomber stream without damage.  Those who loitered
in the bomber gunner's sites too long never lived to
regret it.  The '262 perkie harvest was prodigious!

THANK YOU!
Let me thank everyone, both friend and foe alike, for
battling it out in this Mother of all Missions event!
I want to especially thank all the Rook pilots who
participated for remaining VOX disciplined.  It was
all and more than I could have ever asked or hoped for.  :salute

We have learned still more lessons from this battle
and I believe that next time, we will do even better!

I invite everyone who participated to share their own
observations, constructive comments and thoughful suggestions
in this topic.

The debrief/AAR after the first MoM yielded many suggestions
that were all incorporated into this MoM's execution.
I hope that your comments this time around will be as
useful.  ;)

Thanks again for participating!

David
"96Delta"

P.S.  Post your screenies if you got any!   :O

P.P.S.  Oh, and for those who are wondering why we didn't attack
the Bishops this time around, examine this map.  We would have
had to run a gauntlet of Bishop fighters coming at us from
every direction.  That would have amounted to a suicide
mission.  I actually wanted to hit the Bishops this time, but
the tactical disposition of the map made that impossible.


« Last Edit: November 26, 2008, 01:03:12 AM by 96Delta »

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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 11:45:00 PM »
i heard great things about it, wish i could have been there.
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 12:10:01 AM »
Typical 8th AF hogging the spotlight again, and forgetting the 9th AF 38s that were there to cover them.
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 03:06:21 AM »
Yowzers, very impressive, when is the next MoM?  I want to be a part of it.

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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 04:55:17 AM »
Had alot of fun flying with Corky Del shuffler and joined by a couple other 80th guys and SAPPers. I think a good time was had by all.

:salute Delta had a great time keep up the good work!
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 05:27:17 AM »
I was like the only bomber formation those 262's were aiming at when the came at 20k, i died with in 30 seconds and i was in the heart of the formation, i have no SS's to post because i died so fast, fighter cover was poor.

Then i logged for the night knowing waiting 1 month was for nothing.

Sorry Delta  :salute
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 05:35:08 AM »
I was like the only bomber formation those 262's were aiming at when the came at 20k, i died with in 30 seconds and i was in the heart of the formation, i have no SS's to post because i died so fast, fighter cover was poor.

Then i logged for the night knowing waiting 1 month was for nothing.

Sorry Delta  :salute

fighter cover poor? :huh :huh

I couldnt even make a run at buffs without getting jumped. Nice realism

until I got jumped by 2 38s, a 190 and a Ki84  :furious
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 05:49:19 AM »
JG11 (and friends) upped with roughly 15 Ta152's, a handful of Fw190D-9's, and Bf109G-14's, and a schwarm of 110's.  We employed a single 262 scout.

Other than the TT snafus and the German rides being flown by Rooks, it was a total blast.  When we initially turned into the attack it was quite a sight to see.

My hat's off to the Rook escort pilots who did a much better job this time around, making life very difficult on my jagdfliegers.  :salute

WTG Delta.  You are adding a much needed break from the usual MA landgrab.  I salute, and support you wholeheartedly.
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 05:52:16 AM »
Did the best I could but it seemed like I was always looking up at fighters again. When we made it to 20,000' they were already coming in at 30,000'. The P-38L is actually very effective due to the fact, if you need discipline which I dont, you'll start shaking apart should you try and selfishly dive with a 190, 262, Jug, or Pony. You can make up your Alt fairly well, tho it was hard due to the amount of cons. It seems no matter what we do we'll always have enemy cons into us before we get to target altitude. Lets face it,call em side switchers or whatever you want, but they are up in their 190s and 262s, climbing, and heading to us, long before we even spawn.

I guess it dont matter. Its always fun and a big salute to Delta and everyone involved. It was just frustrating to see cons coming into the stream from 30k and not being able to do much to help them. I thought the P-38L discipline was great and have no doubt the other escorts did their best to stay with the stream.
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 06:58:44 AM »
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The MoM was great and I had no problem donating my 262 to the cause. I was the 2nd 262 on the bombers, the 2 forward sweeps were easy to avoid when going that fast. You guys were packed so tight i downed 6 bombers on the first pass, man what a sight to see. 2 more passes and I was too slow get out alive, the escorts did much better this time in keeping the bombers covered(and not just from space even).

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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 09:12:48 AM »
Thank you delta for a very entertaining time last night. I have but one suggestion and that is that the P51s get the 6 gun package next time. The weight savings was not a factor. The 47s might have been a better choice for me given their high altitude performance and gun package. This is one of the few occasions where you see things over 20,000 and I think it really made the airwar come alive.

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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2008, 09:22:54 AM »
Great flight, although not part of the mission package several of us SAPPER's upped our 38 Medium Bombers to fly support.  I thought fighter support for the mission did a great job.  Myself, CorkyJr, Blixen, Shuffler and Delirium Free lanced it above and around the bombers.  TA152's at 28K are a handful, especially when you can't see them until they are withing 1k of you.  Good times though, can't wait for the next one.
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2008, 10:08:21 AM »
Looks like you fellas had a great time, meanwhile Mrs itunes decided we had to go looking for a new xmas tree :mad:.........
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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2008, 11:03:25 AM »
 :salute 96Delta.. had a blast in my p51..

I only have two suggestions:

1) get the bombers into a more tighter formation
2) After the p51 figters cross the pond, we were all running low on fuel...Need atleast two more fighter wing to cover will some of us refuel and rearm.


Awesome mission man...This is the direction I really want to see this game go into.. Your mission really makes a big diference..   :rock

BTW, the bombers almost didn't have base A139 to land, there was a massive 110 raid there just minutes from you bombers touching down, It was a good thing all the fighters were there refueling and rearming..

Looking forward for the next mission   :salute  Jedi




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Re: • [MoM #2] "Stacked Steel" AAR •
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2008, 11:16:18 AM »
Our squad (TFC) switched to Nit and flew with JG11 in Ta152's  As stated, the Allied formation was quite a site when we turned towards it to attack.  The escort did a great job of protecting the buffs, it was very hard to get anywhere near them!  Got a P51, and then a P38, but ended up getting chased away from the formation while engaged with these two fights.  Trailed alongside the stream and grabbed again to get up to 30K+ and managed to re-enage right before the buffs hit the city.  Got 2 B17's that were trailing the main group this time, but collied with the wreckage of one losing part of my wing, so rtb'd and managed to prang her on the runway!

Really great mission and it seemed realistic from the Luftwaffe force perspective as one would have expected it to be in 44/45 when the allies had huge numbers and it was all you could do to get back to your base alive!  Great fun overall, would love to be able to do this every night :)

Hopefully it will not be long before the next one!  Well done gentlemen!

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