Doing some heavy fighter performance tests, need Bf110 advice

[Krusty]

It would be nice just to have a definitive "loss of speed" and "loss of climb rate" marker for the WGRs, vs bombs, vs DTs. You can find out yourself, but it's time consuming. Also the difference at 0K with WGR21s vs at 25K? (and so forth)

[Karnak]

I'll test the WGRs at altitude due to their use against bombers, but I doubt I'll test ground attack packages above about 10k.

[icepac]

I use the 110G to intercept bombers up to 35,000 feet and I've found the best overall loadout for this is the extra guns but no rockets or drop tanks as they erode level speed far too much even after they have been fired/dropped.

I guess it might pick up a few mph with the gunpod not used as well as have better maneuvering but........if you're really concerned about getting the most agility out of the 110, I would up the 110c anyway.

That said, the 110G has enough instantaneous turn rate that it can get most any plane on the first pass if the 110 were diving from high altitude and it's high altitude dogfight ability is better than one would think.

[save]

110c performs too good in dives, can dive to incredible speeds, and can pull up without any problems.

[Tank-Ace]

Bf110G-2 drivers, what say you?  When you lift a Bf110G-2 for pure air-to-air, what loadout do you take?

fighter: 50% fuel and DT, and 2 20mm's .
Fighter/bomber: 50%/DT, 2 20mm and 2 500kg bombs
multi-role: 50%/DT, 4 20mm, and 4 50kg bombs

You really won't ever need more than 50% and DT. If you're  right next to your base, leave the DT's in the hanger.


As a note, ordnance and guns don't really seem to have any huge effect on the 110. with 50%, DT, and full bombs, you'll be faster than an F4U-D with full ordnance.

[Krusty]

Tank I don't know what game you've been playing... the extra guns and ord slow the 110G down TONS. It certainly isn't faster than a laden Corsair.


Not in any sortie I've ever flown!

[Tank-Ace]

Probably should have made it clear: As compared to other fighters, the guns don't make as much of a difference, the 50kg bombs don't make as much of a difference, and the DT's don't make as much of a difference.

And IDK about the corsair thing. Maybe the ones I've flown with are throttled back to save fuel. If so then the 110 is still at an advantage in an extended raid since it can run full throttle and have no worries about fuel.

[Karnak]

All three of the twins, laden, are faster than the P-47N, laden.  The P-47 was the only single engined fighter that seemed to fall into the "heavy" fighter category I am working on.  F4Us, F6Fs, P-51s, Typhoons and Fw190s were all much lighter and thus did not get added to my "to do" list.

My list is:

A-20G
Bf110C-4b
Bf110G-2
Mosquito Mk VI
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47N

[captain1ma]

http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

[Krusty]

Very old data. I don't even think it has the new mossie FM data.

Also very limited. Doesn't present drag from DTs, gunpods, etc.


EDIT: Don't get me wrong, it's useful, but what he's doing is a big step forward over Gonzo's.

[icepac]

110g at 20k altitude.

100% fuel

360.........no gunpod or any ord loaded.
367 with wep

355.........gunpod only
360 with wep


347.........two rockets and gunpod
353 with wep

341.........four rockets and gunpod
348 with wep

330.........gunpod, drop tanks, and rockets
336 with wep

320.........gunpod, big bombs, drop tanks, and four rockets
324 with wep

[Karnak]

icepac,

Are those "Accelerate to" or "decelerate to" numbers?  Also, how long did you wait for them to stabilize?

[Krusty]

edit: never mind was looking at the wrong thing

[icepac]

icepac,

Are those "Accelerate to" or "decelerate to" numbers?  Also, how long did you wait for them to stabilize?

Both

2 minutes...some for 3.....had to do it in the 1.0 fuel burn training arena.

I forgot to mention that firing off all the guns gives a 2mph advantage to the guns only configuration and that firing off the rear gun all the way out gives a boost of 4 or 5mph that takes 3 minutes to slowly taper off all 4mph

[Karnak]

My spreadsheet is gradually having the fields filled in for the aircraft I see used as fighter-bombers.  For this I am thinking of fighters that bring with them about 2,000lbs of damage that can be applied in short order.

List now looks like this:

A-20G
Bf110C-4b
Bf110G-2
F4U-1C
F4U-1C
F4U-4
F6F-5
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Me410
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-40N
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47N
P-51D
Tempest Mk V
Typhoon Mk Ib


Progress is pretty slow though as it take a lot of time to finish off one aircraft, particularly the ones with lots of options of combinations of options.  Other than planes which can carry some ordnance internally, I am assuming that if somebody wants to carry ordnance they want to maximize the ordnance.