Doing some heavy fighter performance tests, need Bf110 advice

[Karnak]

I am compiling some performance data for the light bom...er...heavy fighters in AH and I need some advice on the Bf110.  One of the performance metrics I am getting is for clean, air-to-air loadouts and for the P-38 and Mossie that is pretty simple, heavy ammo load and what I consider the appropriate fuel load.  The Bf110G-2 offers gun packs though and I am not sure if those should be included or not in a pure air-to-air loadout for it.

Bf110G-2 drivers, what say you?  When you lift a Bf110G-2 for pure air-to-air, what loadout do you take?

[Wmaker]

Only default nose mounted armament and 75% fuel, no DTs. Haven't do it much for a long time though.

[Krusty]

The gunpod is 250 lbs or so even after the ammo is gone, drops top speed, so if you're doing A2A "clean" tests definitely leave it off. I'll also take DTs and 50% sometimes, so that when I have to mix it up I'm not heavy with fuel. It has plenty of tankage. Ditching the DTs leaves no drag afterwards, I think (wing braces go with the tanks?) so there should be no loss after drop.

I'd say 50% internal for the testing to better represent a combat weight. That's just me, though.

[ToeTag]

DT's, 25% fuel, and the heavy gun package.  One burst kills are better than not doing enough damage with the lighter gun package. Because you can't turn as well as most aircraft you might not get a second chance. Once the 30's are drained then you have less weight to deal with in the nose and turn performance is increased.  I once had the opportunity to kill two 109's while flap fighting at a strat.  I then killed one of the guys 6 times back to back with this configuration.

30 mins on target and I did run outta fuel though!

[Krusty]

If his purpose is to gauge the air to air performance of the plane, he should not use the gunpod. He is not testing maximum firepower. I think 25% would be a little dishonest, as it doesn't leave all that much flight time, and I think 75% is sluggish and heavy, hence my suggestion for 50%.

[gyrene81]

for bomber hunting, heavy gun package, the extra 20mm's are great but you're not as maneuverable. going to a fight where there is a mix of low bombers and fighters, the light gun package.

i don't use the fuel cheats, 75 to 100%...dt's only for high alt long range buff hunting.

[Karnak]

For fuel I am just doing whatever comes closest in endurance to what the Mossie gets on 50% fuel.  For the P-38 that was 75%.  I'll check the Bf110 when I work more on it tonight.

I'll probably do the A-20G too, because people insist on using it as a fighter so I'd like to have it in my matrix.

Hopefully I get to add things like the Me410, Beaufighter, Ki-45 and Ki-102 someday.

[Krusty]

That would actually be a pretty cool resource, and is what I suspected after reading your first post.

 

[Karnak]

What I am completely incapable of doing is turn tests.  Every time I've tried has been  a disaster.

The current performance data I am looking at will be speeds, climb rates and roll rates at various speeds.  Right now I am just doing sea level, but I will want to do other altitudes as well. 

[Krusty]

I think it would be interesting to do FTH alt as well.

Maybe bullet-point the alts every 5K, plus FTH whatever it may be, so 0k, 5k, 10, 15k, 20, 22k (FTH), 25k, whatever.

[Karnak]

I think it would be interesting to do FTH alt as well.

Maybe bullet-point the alts every 5K, plus FTH whatever it may be, so 0k, 5k, 10, 15k, 20, 22k (FTH), 25k, whatever.

Yes, something like that.

[Stoney]

Karnak, just use Badboy's Bootstrap Method for the turning comparisons.  Don't have the link available as I'm on vacation, but should come up in a search.

[Karnak]

Karnak, just use Badboy's Bootstrap Method for the turning comparisons.  Don't have the link available as I'm on vacation, but should come up in a search.

Thanks, I'll look into that.


For ground attack underwing armament, does the Bf110G-2 just use the four 50kg bombs or are the rocket mortars ever taken instead?

[Krusty]

Tons use the WGrs against town buildings. I personally don't know they're any better than the 50kg for "boom" power, but the 50kg don't drag you down after you drop 'em.

This is historically correct, as well, as I have read that the WGR21s were used against gun positions and ground targets once it was realized how versatile they were. They were originally ground based rockets (either from the Nebelwerfer or something similar).

[Karnak]

Ok then.  I'll test it with both loadouts.  Mossie is getting wing bomb and wing rocket tests too, so it is appropriate to test the Bf110 as well.

I expect dismal performance hits from both for the rocket launcher systems left behind.