collisions

[Busher]

Really want a collision model that kills both and no one gets a kill.

Getting rammed and watching your opponent fly away undamaged is probably the most unrealistic model in the game.

[Lusche]

Invent a new type of internet connection that totally eliminates lag and you will get you wish fulfilled.

Unless then, there is no way to make it happen without making things much worse.

[Ack-Ack]

Really want a collision model that kills both and no one gets a kill.

Getting rammed and watching your opponent fly away undamaged is probably the most unrealistic model in the game.

How do you know the other guy was undamaged?  The answer is you really don't know.  Also, it's also clear that you don't understand how the collision model works, if you did then you really wouldn't want the collision model you're wishing for.

ack-ack

[Karnak]

As Lusche and Ack-Ack said, until you understand how and why the collision model works as it does you are really not in a position to makes requests about it.

We would all like an Internet that allowed computers to communicate instantly and with no delays, but sadly that is impossible to achieve with current scientific and engineering knowledge.

Until that time, likely never to happen, what you see is what you get is the best that can be done.  Hence the guy who you see a collision with and take damage from is not damaged as his system saw a 25 yard gap between the two of you at the nearest approach.

[RedBull1]

I am curious...(slightly off topic, but still lag/collisions) I play World of Tanks as well, and I've been told the reason we cannot have collisions in tanks in AH is because of internet lag as well... well...how does World of Tanks do it then??? Collisions are always fair, and obviously hitting each other, with heavier tank usually disabling the smaller tank or something, etc. So why can't we?

I'm not saying 'aaarg, they're so much better blah blah blah' I'm just curious how they do it when we can't 

 

[kvuo75]

I am curious...(slightly off topic, but still lag/collisions) I play World of Tanks as well, and I've been told the reason we cannot have collisions in tanks in AH is because of internet lag as well... well...how does World of Tanks do it then??? Collisions are always fair, and obviously hitting each other, with heavier tank usually disabling the smaller tank or something, etc. So why can't we?

I'm not saying 'aaarg, they're so much better blah blah blah' I'm just curious how they do it when we can't  

 

in a recent thread

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343172.msg4534944.html#msg4534944

WOT entire world is less then 1 square mile. And has a fog visibility distance of less the 1000 yards.

If you equate this to AH , you would not be able to see the end of a runway on takeoff.

AH map sizes are over 250,000 square miles with a visibility distance of about 18 miles.

i'd also think tanks move considerably slower than planes plays into it.

[RedBull1]

in a recent thread

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343172.msg4534944.html#msg4534944

i'd also think tanks move considerably slower than planes plays into it.

Ah, I figured it might have something to do with that, thanks 

 

[katanaso]

Would there be a downside to having collisions occur only if both front ends see a collision?  If so, what would it be?

I understand how it works.

[Lusche]

Would there be a downside to having collisions occur only if both front ends see a collision?  If so, what would it be?

I understand how it works.

Yes, there would be. Unlike the current model, players with a higher lag would profit from it as they would have a much lower probability to be in a collision at all.

To illustrate (with numbers made up on the fly, just to show the principle)

Player A: Ping/Lag 30
Player B: Ping/Lag 30
Player C: Ping/Lag 300

Player A and Player B are about to collide. Total lag is very small, so collision is seen on both FE's - CRASH
Player A and Player C are about to collide. Total lag is quite high, so collision is NOT seen on both FE's - wuuush, no crash

Player A and B have a high chance of being part in collisions, player C does not. This is unfair and has a big impact on flying tactics - player C can fly through enemy planes guns blazing with low risk, 'great' for killing bombers.

[FLS]

Really want a collision model that kills both and no one gets a kill.

Getting rammed and watching your opponent fly away undamaged is probably the most unrealistic model in the game.

Every player that has a collision on their PC gets damaged.

[Drano]

Great gohgillymohgilly! How many times do we need to revisit this? <face palm>

[katanaso]

Yes, there would be. Unlike the current model, players with a higher lag would profit from it as they would have a much lower probability to be in a collision at all.

To illustrate (with numbers made up on the fly, just to show the principle)

Player A: Ping/Lag 30
Player B: Ping/Lag 30
Player C: Ping/Lag 300

Player A and Player B are about to collide. Total lag is very small, so collision is seen on both FE's - CRASH
Player A and Player C are about to collide. Total lag is quite high, so collision is NOT seen on both FE's - wuuush, no crash

Player A and B have a high chance of being part in collisions, player C does not. This is unfair and has a big impact on flying tactics - player C can fly through enemy planes guns blazing with low risk, 'great' for killing bombers.

That makes sense.  HTC would need to penalize those with high latency in order to make it somewhat fair for collisions, and it's not worth it.

[lulu]

Salomonic solution of lag problem.

AH evaluates the lag parameter, LP, between two players.

If between 2 players there is a collision and LP si small then both died, else they both survive.   


 

[icepac]

Player D collides with one lancaster of a formation on each gunnery pass.

Three passes made.

Player D flys off undamaged.

[Busher]

alright, fair enough.

So, If due to internet lag, collisions cannot be applied equitably, why have them? make them the same as flying through a friendly.