Lt. Glenn W. Loucks - P-51D "Bloody Rebel!" (5B-S) - 364th FG 385th FS

[Vraciu]

P-51D-5-NA, s/n 44-13962
"Bloody Rebel!" - 5E-S
Lt. Jack O. Eubanks / Lt. Glenn W. Loucks
364th Fighter Group, 385th Fighter Squadron
1944

This is the P-51D-5-NA assigned to Lt. Jack O. Eubanks of the 385th Fighter Squadron 364th FG, S/N 44-13962 Coded 5E-S.  (He scored at least one confirmed victory in this aircraft, an Me-109 on 15 August 1944.)  Named “Bloody Rebel!” this Mustang was lost on 28 September 1944 when Lt. Glenn W Loucks was killed in action over Germany, just nine days after joining the squadron at the age of 27.

2nd Lt Glenn W. Loucks entered the Air Force as an Air Cadet in February 1943 from Wyckoff, Bergen County, New Jersey. He attended Ramsey High School in Ramsey, New Jersey.

Statement from Willard G. Erfkamp 2nd Lt., Air Corps:

"Lt. Loucks was flying #4 Position in Yellow Flight, I was #3 man. When we sighted the FW 190's attacking the bombers, we dropped our tanks and went into the fight. I saw Lt. Loucks drop his tanks end checked again to see that he was with me when we were on our way in to attack. After the first pass [on] a FW 190, I looked around for him but he wasn't there. I never saw him again. After the fight I heard him call in and report that he was at 5,000 feet on a heading of due west with a dead engine. He said he was going to ride it a little further and then get out. He was not heard on the radio after that." - MACR 9246

He was buried at the American War Cemetery Margraten.

https://www.fieldsofhonor-database.com/index.php/en/american-war-cemetery-margraten-l/45251-loucks-glenn-w





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Originally skinned by Fencer I have redrawn the entire aircraft except for the female nose art figure.  I preserved her likeness (with some minor cleanup and resizing) as a tribute to Fencer's work.

The screenshots are blurring the red on the nose art but the game doesn't look like that.   

[lyric1]

 

[Vraciu]

Thanks buddy.


Test post with BMPs follows.

[Devil 505]

Very nice.

Interesting that this plane and "Pin Up Girl" used the same pin-up image.

[Vraciu]

Very nice.

Interesting that this plane and "Pin Up Girl" used the same pin-up image.

Thanks, man. 

I noticed that, too.  I wonder who she was in real life. 

[MotleyCH]

 

[Guppy35]

Fencer did that one for me during DGS II as I had the 364th FG and wanted an appropriate skin.  It was based on these two images I have showing both sides of the nose of Bloody Rebel





If you want to make it more accurate, lower the fuselage stripes to the depot painted style the 364th used.  I didn't notice it until after Fencer had submitted it.

These are also 364th birds from my photo collection


You can see where the fuselage stripes end near the bottom of the star

[Vraciu]

Thanks for the input.   Good to know the right side of the nose is blank. 

I have a dozen images of 364th airplanes and there is no clear pattern on how the fuselage stripes were painted.   Some omitted the forward white stripe.  Some touched the star bar.   Some left a small margin.  Some left a large one.   Still others are a combination.  As with everything there is no hard fast rule. 

Without a photo of this airplane it is purely a SWAG. Edit In: I cannot embed the images nor upload them from an iPad.   Will try tomorrow from my computer.

http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Duggy009/media/1st%20Scouting%20Force/17%20October%201944%20P-51D%2044-13686%20Rugged%20Rebel%20assigned%20to%20LTC%20Allison%20C.%20Brooks%20of%20the%201st%20Scouting%20Force%20doesnt%20quite%20leave%20Honington.%201LT%20John%20J.%20Allen%20suffered%20power%20loss..jpg.html


https://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/5452

https://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/27918

http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Duggy009/media/1st%20Scouting%20Force/P-51D%2044-13764%205E-B.%20Pilot%20is%20Phil%20Algar%20on%20his%20way%20to%20Grafton%20Underwood%20for%20the%20200th%20mission%20party%20of%20his%20old%20unit%20the%20384th%20BG..jpg.html

[Guppy35]

The images you are linking to are 1st Scouting Force Mustangs.  The only 364th bird is the one with the chopped off tail and it's got the depot applied stripes.

How many photos of the stripes as described would you like to see for proof?

[Vraciu]

The images you are linking to are 1st Scouting Force Mustangs.  The only 364th bird is the one with the chopped off tail and it's got the depot applied stripes.

How many photos of the stripes as described would you like to see for proof?

If they are 5N then what's the difference?  I doubt they had D-Day stripes added after the fact in some haphazard manner.

I appreciate your help.   However, I get the impression you think I just make this up as I go along without looking into it.    You seem to take the depot as gospel when it is ABSOLUTELY NOT consistent.   I have evidence that shows things to contrary of every single one of your assertions regarding depot stripes.

So, as far as this airplane goes, anything we do is pure conjecture.  If you have something to offer in the way of assistance I am always grateful, but at this point you have a photo of half an airplane and that's it.

We have multiple 5N airplanes with all sorts of stripes on them.   There is no consistent application.   We are taking a shot in the dark here at best without a photo of the airplane in question.   I went with what Fencer drew because I assumed he had more photos available than I have.   The ones I dug up supported his version.    I will leave it up to you guys to decide what it should be and I can adjust it.  But spare me the condescension like I'm some retard throwing crayons at a wall.   I'm making an EDUCATED guess here.

[Guppy35]

Trust me on this one

[Guppy35]

Understand that the 364th FG transitioned from 38s to 51s late summer 44 so they got new birds from the depot.  They didn't have 51s on D-Day so they didn't put stripes on them.  They did that to their 38s.  So when they got 51s they came brand spanking new out of the depot which at that point would have been painting the birds in standard ETO markings of the time, which was NOT full invasion stripes etc.  Being a 364th junkie, I'd like you to at least accept I have some sort of clue here

Look at the 51 in the background of the image showing Bloody Rebel.  Note the fuselage stripes.  nuff said

[Vraciu]

Understand that the 364th FG transitioned from 38s to 51s late summer 44 so they got new birds from the depot.  They didn't have 51s on D-Day so they didn't put stripes on them.  They did that to their 38s.  So when they got 51s they came brand spanking new out of the depot which at that point would have been painting the birds in standard ETO markings of the time, which was NOT full invasion stripes etc.  Being a 364th junkie, I'd like you to at least accept I have some sort of clue here

Look at the 51 in the background of the image showing Bloody Rebel.  Note the fuselage stripes.  nuff said

1) Those are all N2 birds.  I'm really not interested in N2s (and they are also somewhat random).  I want the 5Es.

2) I've seen more 5E airplanes with no fuselage stripes than with any at all.

3) Your presumption is that the Scouting Force added some haphazard random Invasion Stripes six months after D-Day with no rhyme or reason to them.

4) This airplane was lost in September of 1944.   We know it had a black stripe on the wings and that's it.    Anything else is a guess based on incomplete information.

5) Do we have ANY P-51D-5 photos from 5E?  I haven't seen one yet.

[Vraciu]

Look at the 51 in the background of the image showing Bloody Rebel.  Note the fuselage stripes.  nuff said

I already noted those and discarded them.  They are from a different squadron/group.   But I did notice their black stripes appear to go all the way up to the star bar, so they would prove my point not yours.  'Nuff said.   

[Vraciu]

Trust me on this one

I'd like to but you are gonna' have to do more to convince me what the correct answer is than this.

I am only concerned with getting it right, not being right.   I definitely appreciate your help, as always.