Author Topic: Perk Planes (Read 1059 times)

Frost · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2001, 07:04:00 PM »

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Temp isn't much better than a Typhoon, but at least it has a chance against the LA-7.

Eskimo2, you need to go try the Tempest some more.

The Temp far outclasses the Typhoon in performance. The Temp climbs much better, turns better, doesn't bleed energy in turns near as much and is faster.

Wotan · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2001, 09:14:00 PM »

bs funked theres a thing called eny value up a spit kill a niki the do it in 205.

you get way more points fer killing the niki with the 205 then the spit.

Thats how it werks.

if u fly a dhog and i fly a dhog no matter what time online is if i kill more then you period i get more perks.

Anybody arguing its hard to get perks?

My squaddie has more then me he can fly 100 152s i can only fly 70......oh thats so unfair....

but what all he flies is a g10 so if i get a g2 then even if i have less time online and less kills my perk points will rise faster then theyn would me flying a g10 with more hours online.

Its unfair i vulched a field and got 16 easy kills and you hard fouhght a 16 la7s in your p51 and i got more perks.

p51d has eny value of 18
109g2 has eny value of 40

g2 kills 51d 40/18 = 2.22

51d kills g2 18/40 = .45

now say they kill each other 10 times each same time online

g2 get 22.2 perks

p51d gets 4.5 perks

If you have a desire to fly a paticular perk plane the up a fighter with a hi eny value and go get some kills.

A nik2 has an eny value of 10

1 g2 killa niki 40/10 4 perks

so you would need to kill 10 g2s in a p51b to equal the perks of 1 g2 kiling a niki.

fair hell no ....have htc dole out welfare perks so we can hold hands skipping around the may pole like good equalitarians...

eskimo2 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 03, 2001, 09:29:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Frost:

Eskimo2, you need to go try the Tempest some more. The Temp far outclasses the Typhoon in performance. The Temp climbs much better, turns better, doesn't bleed energy in turns near as much and is faster.

Frost, your right, I do need to fly the Tempest more.
I have only flown it once. I hosed a B-17, then got a @$#!% LA-7 on my tail at D1.4. It took me 15 miles on the deck to get the separation out to 1.7
I wasn't impressed, but then again If the LA-7 is perked and not everywhere, the Temp might dominate in the speed area like it should.

eskimo

Zippatuh · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2001, 11:11:00 AM »

Ok maybe not welfare perks but what about being able to give them away?

It would be nice to have a dot command “.givepoints XXX playerA”.

Zippatuh

Skysix1 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 05, 2001, 07:32:00 AM »

How about setting a maximum limit on the number of perk points someone can have? Let's say maybe 700. The people with 700+ perks wont use them anyway and they cant be traded (yet??).

Then when you get a perk plane you will be really careful. how you fight with it. And it would allow for my next suggestion to work a little better.

Next I suggest that you give a certian number of "special" perk points each time there credit card is charged the monthly fee. These "Special" Perks could ONLY be used for 1 ride at a time. So if the perk ride cost 30 perk points and you have 50 "Special" Perk points you will have 20 left as soon as you choose to take off in the 30 point ride.
The "Special" Perk points wouldnt carry over month to month they would never exceed the monthly allotment.

This would allow people who don't get to play as much a chance to fly most of the perk planes at least once a month.

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Skysix1 ]

Wotan · « **Reply #35 on:** December 05, 2001, 08:01:00 AM »

the problem isnt that some people have to many perks........

And the problem isnt that some folks dont have enough........

The problem is folks feel they should be able to fly one with out doing whats necessary to earn the perks.

If you really want to fly a perk plane then get in a plane with a hi eny value and kill planes with a lo eny value.

Simple as that.

A lot of folks dont give a crap about perk planes and have a ton of perk points.

If you have no desire to fly perk planes then it doesn't matter.

But theres no reason for someone to whine about how "unfair" it is that he got to fly one and I didnt.

Kill ten planes with a lo eny value with a plane with an eny value over 30 you will get your perks quickly.

You can tell who libs are.........lol

you earned to much it aint fair........

htc dole us out some welfare perks its unfair....

next you'll want universal aircraft repair coverage.....

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Ok maybe not welfare perks but what about being able to give them away?

a sort of perk plane soup kitchen?

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]

Hajo · « **Reply #36 on:** December 05, 2001, 08:17:00 AM »

Perk system fine the way it is imho.

Don't whine when an unperked late war aircraft blows you out of the sky when you are flying an earlier war model. Your choice to fly it. You got what was to be expected.

Skysix1 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 05, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan:
[QB]the problem isnt that some people have to many perks........

And the problem isnt that some folks dont have enough........

The problem is folks feel they should be able to fly one with out doing whats necessary to earn the perks.

If you really want to fly a perk plane then get in a plane with a hi eny value and kill planes with a lo eny value.

Simple as that.

A lot of folks dont give a crap about perk planes and have a ton of perk points.

If you have no desire to fly perk planes then it doesn't matter.

But theres no reason for someone to whine about how "unfair" it is that he got to fly one and I didnt.

Kill ten planes with a lo eny value with a plane with an eny value over 30 you will get your perks quickly.

You can tell who libs are.........lol

you earned to much it aint fair........

htc dole us out some welfare perks its unfair....

next you'll want universal aircraft repair coverage.....

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a sort of perk plane soup kitchen?

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Well you see.... I actually have a real job. I work 50 hours a week and I drive 45 minutes each way too and from work. I have a family and basketball, hockey, and Boy scouts to go to for my son. I believe If I paid my fee I should be able to fly what I want to.

I earned my right by earning a decent living and keeping my family a good one.

This is fun relaxation for me and I could give a darn less who kills me or who I kill online.

If I had 116 hours in the month of November to spend flying Aces High I would think the perk system is fine too. I guess you earned your right to fly what you want. If you do have a full time job you sure dont have any kind of familylife.

But if you only get 5-10ish hours a month to play then the perk system really kinda sucks.

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** December 05, 2001, 09:27:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Zippatuh:
Ok maybe not welfare perks but what about being able to give them away?

It would be nice to have a dot command “.givepoints XXX playerA”.

Zippatuh

I'm all for this. I'll probably never use the ones I have and none of the current perk planes has any attraction for me.

I'd cheerfully give perks to newbies that have just signed up as paying customers.

Zippatuh · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2001, 09:51:00 AM »

Ok. Started out a good argument and has turned to crap.

Wotan, you’re right. If you fly the right aircraft in a limited amount of time you can build up perks. There in lies the problem. Limited time for some people. I’m sure they all want to fly that 202 to build them perks too. The response I can see is, yes they should if they want the points quick. Definition of quick in hours is probably subjective. This implies that should the player with no time want to fly a perk they should fly an aircraft they do not choose simply because of the perk value. Now they are not able to fly the perk or the aircraft they would like, wow, sounds like loads of fun to me.

To just chime in and say “it’s there if you want them who cares if there may be a sacrifice” is self centered. Especially for someone who averages what, over 100 hours? Liberal, it has nothing to do with being liberal it has everything to do with wanting to be able to have the same opportunities for the subscription price paid as someone else. Regardless of how you want to define it the system benefits whoever is online longer for spending the same amount of money.

Rangerbob for example was only on last tour for 5:30 hours. If you ask bob I’ll bet he had some fun during that time in the aircraft, non-perk of course, that he wanted. I guess he should have spent that time in a 202 or something with a low ENY that he didn’t want to fly just to gain perks. Wow, I bet that’s what he wanted. To spend 5 hours working instead of playing.

Now I think it’s a hell of an idea to chalk up the maximum perk value at the beginning of each tour, non-refundable, not transferable, or have the ability to carry the leftovers to the next tour. This way everyone who pays their subscription will start out with at least 200 perks at each tour and have the ability to fly whatever they want on at least one occasion during the tour. I don’t think that is bad thing at all.

Also giving us the ability to give perks to someone else would help a lot with this problem.

Zippatuh

Hangtime · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2001, 10:22:00 AM »

I dunno if I can buy into the perkie thing yet..

I fly pretty much one plane.. a P51D. The pony is well down the food chain now in MA operations; flown as a MA plane it's pretty much a target, and requires a fair amount of work to complete a sortie wheels down OTR and undamaged in a MA where yah can't seem to engage any one enemy without the other 300 on line hopping into the conga line; on one side or the other.

The other night, I fought like a madman, killed acks, took down a field radar, engaged multiple aircraft; survived, got three very tough kills against far more capable planes in the MA enviornment I was fighting in and got a whopping 4 pissy fargin perkies.

Yet I see guys up in 205's for field defense, scramble thru the vultchers, get 3 guys; crash and roll up 20 perkies.

I dunno.. It don't matter to me really; I enjoy flying my plane and perk points or scorecards are not what I come here for.

*sigh* But; now someone wants to perk the pony?? LOL! Yah can't kill much of anything with a P51 and earn points... yet yah wanna charge points to fly it??

I dunno man; maybe this perkie thing is a bit messed up...

Wotan · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2001, 11:08:00 AM »

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This is fun relaxation for me and I could give a darn less who kills me or who I kill online.

so why are you worried about flying a perk plane?

If you're against the perk system say so. Its in place for a reason and if you read the original post you will see it makes sure the rare planes stay rare.

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I believe If I paid my fee I should be able to fly what I want to.

You paid for the use of a product that htc created. You dont own it.

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I had 116 hours in the month of November to spend flying Aces High I would think the perk system is fine too. I guess you earned your right to fly what you want. If you do have a full time job you sure dont have any kind of familylife.

I werk at a electrical generating station. I work 4 days at 12 yrs a day then get three days off. The schedule then rotatates where I end up werking the week end then get 4 days off. every other month I switch shifts.

But that aint your buiness.

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I earned my right by earning a decent living and keeping my family a good one.

that and $.35 you can make a phone call. It still dont entitle you to free perks. Perks are not the exclusive product of time online go reread my reply that explains how it works.

My point is that if you wanna fly a perk plane you can get perks more quickly flying planes with a hi eny value. Thats true if you fly a 205 1 hour a week and only get 1 kill a week. You still get to that perk faster then flying a plane with a lo eny value.

I would like to give perks aways as well also I think it would be a good idea as a mission planner to use my perk points to get perk planes for my missions (arados). Then who ever joins the mission uses them. But some folks would get pissed if a someone got discoed or augered in their perk mission.

What would be the reason to have a perk system if ht just gave away perks? give everyone in the main 200 perks.... is you crazy?

why not just have a "jet day" or "free perk day". With the 200 free perks would be more then a day. The perk system has kept down the use of rare planes like, I believe, it was intended. To make them "unrare" by giving free perks or rides makes no sense.

With 400 folks in the arena how many of them on the day the "welfare perk checks" come out arent going to be in temps and 262s? Its gonna be just as silly as wb jet day but worse.

Hangtime no one will take your 51 away. There aren't enough planes in ah to justify that. I only would be for it if we had a full early mid planset.

But as curly has said thats moot because there maybe a limit on the number of plane types (64?) in the main so it would mean either more then 1 arena or an rps. With a rps you'll get maybe a week to fly the p51b.

If that happens you'll hear more people say how unfair that is (i would be one) because they cant fly what they want no matter what. At least with the perk system if you really wanna fly it you can.

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]

Hangtime · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2001, 12:13:00 PM »

More than anything else I was commenting on the irony of putting a 5 perk point cost on a plane that can barely produce that on an OUTSTANDING sortie.

Skysix1 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2001, 12:30:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan:

so why are you worried about flying a perk plane?

If you're against the perk system say so. Its in place for a reason and if you read the original post you will see it makes sure the rare planes stay rare.

I am against the perk system.
I believe having all the planes available to anyone but only limited mnumbers of the planes available at each field would work better. If a plane is not available you basically put your name on the list and when it's available you have 5 minutes(can be adjusted) to either fly it or allow your name to drop one place (just in case you don't think you'll be done with your current mission). Maybe perk points could be used as a way to bypass the system and get your ride quicker. The wait may be a while. If i spent all the time that is spent on modeling the planes, painting them, getting the flight characteristics just right, I would like to see more use out of them.

It sounds like you can fly what you want when you want to. But heck...You live on AH. It's more than just a part time job for you. It's only a Hobby for me. You basically are trying to tell me that just because I would like to try a certian ride i cannot use it because I am not a "real" AHer. If thats how it is than fine. Your part of a union arent ya?

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Originally posted by Wotan:

You paid for the use of a product that htc created. You dont own it.

Well I may not own it but you are giving suggestions too arent you? Well... so am I. my ideas may not be too good from your perspective but at least I am trying to come up with something. Or am I not allowed to have a suggestion because I don't fly 116 hour a month? I mean obviously you spend more money here than most??? oooops I meant to say time.

I sure do wish i had time to spend 200 hours a month sitting at a computer and another 100 a month to play online and still do all the other stuff i enjoy but I just can't. Saying i am asking for welfare is silly. I enjoy flying all the planes. I would enjoy it more if I had time to be "Skysix1 Great Ace of AH". If I spent that much time playing I had damn well better be a great ace.

Just wondering?? what do you really "earn" in AH?????

I guess I just don't like the way it's all setup. I expressed my opinion. You didn't like it. Of course I guess if I played for 100+ hours a month and a guy who was no where near my superior level shot me down from his "free perk ride" I would be pissed too. Esp since this very realistic setup shouldnt have all these "rare" planes flying around.

Why did you think WB jet day was silly? Because they tried to make a war look like a war by introducing the new stuff as it came along? It was only one day of jets. On your schedule you could have worked 12 of those hours anyway? I liked Jet Day. It was the day I would never miss. At least I knew I could fly the 262 once a month.

Good thing I wasnt hungry. this took up my whole dang lunch break

lazs1 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »

I really feel that an "area" arena is a much better solution to the "fly what you like" (notice how many people "like" uber planes?) problem. and a far better solution than the idiotic perk system for getting in some important and fun early war rides.

It is easy to say that you have a choice and that if you get killed by a non perked late war plane in your mid or less war plane that it is your own fault... It's harder to come up with a fair fix for the problem. Parity, variety and action are the things I want.
lazs