Author Topic: Maneuvers that seperate pilots from targets (Read 591 times)

davidpt40 · « **on:** October 31, 2003, 12:52:58 PM »

So I'm rolling at about 7000 feet ASL (2000 agl) in my death-trap known as the P47D-25. Along comes this enemy LA-5. Hes higher than me and dives on me. I engage war emergency power and go into a zero g dive. He catches me. So I am turning and rolling trying to prolong my life, but hes getting closer and I can see little flames on his cowl (23mm muzzle flashes).

So here I am at about 200ias, with an La5 extremely latched onto my tail. I pulled my control stick as far to the back and to left as I could without stalling. My P47 goes into a huge drag inducing left-handed barrel roll, and the La-5 goes sailing by in front of me, filling my windscreen and gunsight. A quarter second snapshot explodes his plane in half, and I RTB safely.

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:23:59 PM »

I had a similar situation last night where I engaged a P-47 in a rolling scissors with me in a G2. Just about the time our turn radius' equalized, he collided with me before I could get off a shot.

What you describe is nothing new. Forcing the overshoot can be done by just about anybody that knows how to control their speed.

Mini D · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:29:23 PM »

I've always thought coming in with an alt advantage was one of the toughest engagements to follow through with. Hoping for a shot and zooming if it didn't materialize is the only real "easy" engagement method. That's why I fly a P-40... I never have to adress that problem as a result.

P.S. Does the La-5 have a 23mm cannon?

MiniD

Shane · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2003, 01:41:44 PM »

what seperates them is when you do that move, the guy bouncing slams on his brakes (or did in advance) does his own roll and pops that ***.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:27:34 PM »

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What you describe is nothing new. Forcing the overshoot can be done by just about anybody that knows how to control their speed.

Yeah, they will zoom past you as your aircraft is breaking in half and burning. This isn't Top Gun, you can't just reduce throttle and pull back on the stick.

kappa · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:33:40 PM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
Yeah, they will zoom past you as your aircraft is breaking in half and burning. This isn't Top Gun, you can't just reduce throttle and pull back on the stick.

Ya, thats not proper... First you reduce throttle, pull back on the stick, but then comes the ALL important.... Hit the brakes and they fly right by move... now THATS top gun!

k
AoM

gofaster · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:35:29 PM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
Yeah, they will zoom past you as your aircraft is breaking in half and burning. This isn't Top Gun, you can't just reduce throttle and pull back on the stick.

Yeah, you're correct that there's more to it. It helps if you're in a plane that can dump speed quickly or is slower than the one that's doing the bouncing. For example, a good plane to force an overshoot with is the Spitfire V. A lot of pilots mistake it for the faster Spit IX and can be caught with their pants down if you jink to the left or right like you're going to loop, then double back as they break high or go into a lag pursuit. The FM2 is good for this, too since it has multi-stage flaps.

Its also easier to force an overshoot against an LA-7, or D9, or P-51D, or Typhoon, or 109G10 than it is some of the slower planes.

Cooley · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:37:42 PM »

High YoYo... Re-aquire....KaBlamm

davidpt40 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2003, 02:50:12 PM »

If the F4U didnt have such horrible low speed handling characteristics, it would be great at this maneuver. It has huge flaps, best roll rate of American fighters, and gear that doubles as a speed break.

Yet at low speeds, the torque yaws the nose of the aircraft when placed under any kind of g-load. Plus the F4U is one of, if not the slowest accelerating aircraft in Aces High.

YUCCA · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2003, 03:24:57 PM »

welcome to the p47

Engine · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2003, 03:28:28 PM »

Boy, I wish my la5 had 23mm cannons like your enemy's did, david.

Furball · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2003, 03:33:51 PM »

Engine is a spit I dweeb..

D-U-H-W-E-E-B!

straffo · « **Reply #12 on:** October 31, 2003, 03:42:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
P.S. Does the La-5 have a 23mm cannon?

MiniD

no

I remember having read somewhere about a three 23 mm LA-9 ... but it was after WWII

Wadke · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:12:10 PM »

La-5 has 2x20mm SHVAKs i think
Also david a navy plane that is good for those manuevers are the F4F FM-2 and F6F as gofaster stated.........also i have seen the F4U do it

davidpt40 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2003, 04:20:46 PM »

You always add at least 3mm when describing the enemy weapons firing at you.