I had a revalation: 1000 yards = 10 football fields

[kbman]

   When I was a young lad of 12, I was at the range with my Dad and my new Model 94 30/30 Winchester with standard open sights. I put a 12 guage shotgun shell on a nail on the target backing at 100yds and shot it off with my first shot. I put it back up and shot it of again with my second shot.  
Thats iron sights and a kid whose shoulder hurt every time I fired it...and a target the size of your thumb.

   None of that is exactly analagous to A to A gunnery but it certainly seems possible you could hit a plane sized target with that much lead flying. Just another perspective...

kbman

[wolf37]

hi all:

i think 1k is 1000ft, not yards.
anything and evrything is in feet when it comes to aircraft, not in yards. so your target that is .300 away from you is only one football field away, 1k is 3.33 football fields away.



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[StSanta]

Hm, well, I've been at one end of a runway and had a small 2 engine plane take off from the other side (field was 900 meters) and I found it quite easy to distinguish the plane in the distance.

Dunno if I would hit it though; prolly not  


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[Saintaw]

 

Originally posted by eskimo:
True, but then again, how many of us have gone target shooting with 50 cal. machine guns?  Let alone 2, 6 or 8!

eskimo

Well, been there, done that (Used to be in Mech Infantry back in 1988-89). .50's are not realy using a straight path (you actualy have quite a spraying cone) but then, with a decent ROF , who needs to aim ?

(FYI, we used to shoot at "dead APCs at a range of 400-600 yds")


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[Wingnut_0]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
stardog 1.5 is 1500 yards not feet

Not trying to start any kind of arguement Cit, but when ur tags appear it's roughly around 8.5 distance.  If that was yards, then that's roughly 27,000 ft that you begin to see the enemy plane.  

8500 ft seems much more likely the case for the 8.5 distance.  And if it was yards, then once you hit 1.0 (yards?) your display turns to ft?  Doesn't make any since.

For a newbie (to this game) I'm now going to work completely confused..hehe

Wingnut

[Jekyll]

ALL AH distances are in yards.

D8.5 is 8,500 yds (about 25,500 feet or close enough to 5 miles)

D1 is 1000 yds

When under 1000 yds the range counter clicks off individual yards(659, 658 etc)

Not feet, not metres ... YARDS!!!!

Oh, and Citabria, if you REALLY want to get an idea of just how 'laser-like' the AH guns are, jump in your car one day, drive to a nice long straight road.  Drive 600 yds down the road from a marked spot then look back to that spot.

And tell me you could hit a fighter-sized target at that distance with a machine gun/s from a gun platform which is subject to all the vagaries of turbulence, wind direction, stick movements etc.

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[Downtown]

I know they have a nice scope for the .50Cal sniper rifle.  YOu look through the scope and you don't exactly get a panorama, but an expanded view.  If you push forward a little bit it zooms in.

I know it is pretty possible to hit someone in the nose at 1200 yards with that sniper rifle.

(It has a computer that adjusts for windage too.)

I believe that someone said Bubbi could hit at 1100 yards with the machine guns in his 109 (Though he preffered to be less than 100 yards.)

Also I believe somone flying U.S. Iron said that the .50s could hit at 1800 yards and do damage. (I don't remember who.)

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[Citabria]

I'm saying I couldn't and that no one else in a ww2 fighter could either in all but the rarest of instances

[hitech]

1.5k = 1500 Yards
under 1.0k we switch to yard increments i.e.
500 = 500 yards.

And 1 misconception about dispersion of bullets is that it makes it harder to hit at longer ranges.

In reality dispersion effects can make it easyer to hit at longer ranges, but harder to inflict lethal damage.

And I somtimes wonder if we are all playing the same game. For me to hit someone at 1k he has to be straight and level. And on a realy good day 1 out of 10 of my burst will show some pings. Which would translate into some where like 1 out of 500 rounds .

Is this simlar to what most people can do?
Id like to see some films of all the 1k and longer shots people make. Might help my gunnery.

HiTech

[RAM]

Just yesterday got killed by a 900 yards away F4U1C, despite the fact that I was on a shallow climbing turn to the left.

2 pings wing gone bye bye. I was on a Me109G10 with no damage at all.

Sadly, no film.  

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[Yeager]

Try moving at 2000+ feet per second  

10 football fields gets small aweful quick at those speeds.

Problem is that 4,6 or 8 wing/cowl mounted guns are gonna give you some serious dispertion at that extreme range.

I recently fired a parting burst at a 190 flying a F4U-1C,  Saw 5-7 hits starting at 900 indicated range.  Saw no smoke or damaged pieces.

The 190 escaped

Yeager

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[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
Just yesterday got killed by a 900 yards away F4U1C, despite the fact that I was on a shallow climbing turn to the left.

2 pings wing gone bye bye. I was on a Me109G10 with no damage at all.

Sadly, no film.  

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900 yards on your FE, I would venture to guess between 600 and 800 yards on the enemy FE.  Thats a reasonable kill to me.  Also, 2 pings is what you heard, but 1 ping could represent 5 bullets hitting you.

[Ghosth]

Overall I'd have to say that the long range gunnery in AH is spot on.

I used to regularly kill Crows with 1 shot at 300 to 400 yards with my varmint rifle (.243 handloads at 3100 muzzle fps 60 grain hollowpoints. True that was with a scoped rifle and a steady rest.

If anything kills to well at long range it's the buffs defensive guns and thats a play balance issue.

[funked]

HT I can get hits out to 750 or so if I use enough ammo.  But all my killing is done at 500 on in.  250 seems to be my magic number.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by funked:
HT I can get hits out to 750 or so if I use enough ammo.  But all my killing is done at 500 on in.  250 seems to be my magic number.

With Cannons, my majic number before I open up is about 400, however, post-fix version of the cannon Chog, I no longer can get any hits beyond D1.0, and anything out around 800-d1.0 yards is only flashes, not much damage done, and to hit at D1.0, that target has to be nice and level, or in a gentle climb.