Author Topic: he must've been out of rum (Read 963 times)

capt. apathy · « **on:** November 01, 2003, 09:31:14 PM »

majic · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2003, 01:12:02 AM »

Cut and paste. I'm not registering.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2003, 11:06:25 AM »

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Burglary suspects shot in Colton
05:25 PM PST on Saturday, November 1, 2003
Compiled by ABE ESTIMADA, kgw.com Staff

COLTON, Ore. -- Two burglary suspects were wounded early Saturday morning after a homeowner confronted them with his rifle.
Erik J. Bjorkman, 20, suffered a grazing bullet wound to the head and Caleb Joseph Kirk, 21, was struck by a round in the right side of his abdomen. Bjorkman was taken by LifeFlight to Oregon Health and Sciences University Hospital. Kirk was transported by ambulance to the same hospital.

Clackamas County sheriff's investigators take a look at a pick-up that three burglary suspects were riding in early Saturday morning. (KGW Photo)
The case is being forwarded to the Clackamas County District Attorney’s Office for further review, said Deputy Angela Brandenburg, a spokesperson for the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office.
A third, uninjured suspect, David C. Carris, 19, of Mollala, was charged with burglary in the first-degree. He was booked into the Clackamas County Jail in Oregon City.
The homeowner called 911 about 4:15 a.m. after discovering the suspects burglarizing his house on 27850 S. Shibley Road. About the same time the homeowner was calling dispatchers, the wounded men were calling 911.
The three suspects fled in a pick-up truck and called for help about a mile from the house near the intersection of S. Unger and S. Bauer roads.

Curval · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2003, 11:19:54 AM »

It doesn't appear that he even tried the rum "trick".

It seems to have worked out this time though...fortunately he had a gun as back up.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2003, 11:22:39 AM »

sometimes you have to take desperate action when you let the liquor cabinet run low.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2003, 11:24:41 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
sometimes you have to take desperate action when you let the liquor cabinet run low.

lol precisley.

Maniac · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2003, 12:04:58 PM »

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Erik J. Bjorkman, 20,

What the hell!!!! A 20 year old Swede doing burglaries in the US?

Furball · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2003, 02:14:30 PM »

If that happened in england, the homeowner would be the one prosecuted, the burgulars would sue the homeowner and the homeowner would go to jail.

This country sucks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4720454-103690,00.html

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Fearon, 33, was one of two intruders who broke into Martin's remote Norfolk farmhouse, Bleak House, in August 1999. The farmer opened fire on the pair with a shotgun. Fred Barras, 16, was killed while Fearon suffered serious leg injuries.......

Martin, who was jailed for five years for manslaughter, has been refused parole because of the fear that he might re-offend if his home was broken into again.

Dago · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2003, 07:35:04 PM »

Geez Furball, unless there are circumstances not evident, that really sucks. Someone breaks into your house, they are obviously up to no good and should be considered a lethal threat. As such, you should be able to defend yourself, your family and the sanctity of your home by any and all means necessary and not fear prosecution for it.

dago

gofaster · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2003, 10:55:44 AM »

The trick is to combine the rum with the ham sandwich, and then if that doesn't work, or if neither of the two above are available, then you grab the gun. See, if he'd used the ham sandwich/rum tactic, he would've nabbed all 3 at the same time instead of having to just shoot 1, let the 2nd get away, and hope the 3rd was apprehended.

LePaul · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:03:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Furball
If that happened in england, the homeowner would be the one prosecuted, the burgulars would sue the homeowner and the homeowner would go to jail.

This country sucks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4720454-103690,00.html

Well, same story in Mass, if I understand all their anti-gun laws correctly..and there are a lot of em.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:16:10 AM »

unfortunately this guy (homeowner) could still face prosecution. if it'd happened in the city he would likely be charged. the law says you have to believe that you or another are in physical danger.

Colton is a bit more rural, and shooting burglars is generally considered good form.

Mini D · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:31:55 AM »

If there is 3 of them, there is an automatic cause for "sensing you are in danger". The main thing that gets people in trouble is shooting intruders in the back. I believe the situation in GB cited above involved the intruders being shot as they were fleeing. Another one I recall from Denver was where a shop owner set up a booby trap with a double barrel shotgun.

Locally, you might remember these two:

1) A man shot a 13 year old in the back of the head on his 13th birthday as the kid was trying to remove the man's car stereo from his car.

2) An elderly man shot a man in the back after he attempted to break into his (property). The robber was fleeing down the road at the time.

3) A man shot a burglar 15 times in the back saying that the burglar was heading for his wife.

1 and 2 went to jail. 3 got off. I can't say I disagree with the decisions. I also believe that these are the exceptions, and stories such as you cited are more the rule.

MiniD

capt. apathy · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2003, 11:40:35 AM »

I think our deffinition of a justifiable shooting could use some looking at though.

I would think that being on someones residential property with a reasonable belief that you are there to comitt a felony shoud be enough.

for the most part the rules are looked at reasonably but every now and then you get a DA who wants to make an example of someone. usually right before he anounces his running for an elected office.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2003, 07:24:12 PM »

Its hard to believe (ha ha ha) but in texas you can shoot somone legally if they are on your property and it is night time. There's some law/loophole, I know this cause a friend of mine is a repo-guy in austin and it makes his job very difficult.