Author Topic: Then and now (Read 2557 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #15 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:32:10 PM »

Sixpence: The more you read the more interesting it gets. End of the world? I think it has just begun. I realize now how far in the past I live.

You must have an incredible arrogance to take my predictions of monetary and civil collapse of socialist US as "the end of the world". US and especially US government and monetary systen is not "the world".

miko

Sixpence · « **Reply #16 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:36:28 PM »

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US and especially US government and monetary systen is not "the world".

miko

To me it is, I think we will be just fine,ty. Carrying bags of money around while starving to death would seem like the end of the world, but that's just me.

Boroda · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:37:27 PM »

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Sure. I even have it on tape.
Are you referring to their use of matches as currency?

miko

Not only that

On Plyuk they don't have seas because they made "louts" (rocket fuel) from water, and now they have factories where they make water out of louts.

Now look what Sixpence posted:

I once thought that other planets in the solar system could be used to live on. But it seems now that they will be mined for their atoms. The atoms in turn could be used to create raw materials?

Kin-Dza-Dza is a brilliant parody on modern "civilization" and "culture".

http://kin-dza-dza.etel.ru/

I wonder if it is possible to translate that movie to English.

"All this sad cataclysm that we observe here with Vladimir Nikolaevich..."

"Mister Uef! Like a representative of a civilized planet I insist that you have to watch your vocabulary!"

I watched this film 5 times in 1986. I wonder how they could even dare to show it in the theatres

slimm50 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:39:58 PM »

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Sixpence: I blame Clinton. And despite miko's prognostications of doom, I have decided to earn a dollar today.

You are not earning "dollars". You are earning purchasing power measured in dollars. You gave labor and received living accomodations, food, clothes and claims on goods or income-creating assets. Money is just a mediulm that facilitates such an exchange with many participants.
Nothing wrong with earning. Keeping the purchasing power as dollars is another matter altogether. Over the last 20 years the purchasing power of a dollar declined by half.
The world holds $35 trillion dollars. Do you think US has stuff to sell if all of you decide to cash those in? miko

Miko, I've rarely, if ever, agreed with what you've written in this BBS, but......damn you're an interesting read. Never quit trying to "educate" and "enlighten" us.

miko2d · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:50:37 PM »

slimm50: Miko, I've rarely, if ever, agreed with what you've written in this BBS, but......damn you're an interesting read.

That's not as good as what I've tried to achieve but still better than nothing. Being strongly empathic, I would feel very bad about people perishing from ignorance. I have no problem with people perishing from stupidity.

Thanks!

miko

Sixpence · « **Reply #20 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:53:51 PM »

Ain't no substitute for arrogance.

slimm50 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:55:54 PM »

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slimm50: Miko, I've rarely, if ever, agreed with what you've written in this BBS, but......damn you're an interesting read.

Being strongly empathic, I would feel very bad
miko

er...the word I think you mean is "empathetic", unless, of course, you truly are an empath....

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:06:18 PM »

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Yes, it would be - and dumb is what they usually do.

Would this group of profoundly incompetent economists also include Alan Greenspan, whom you're very fond of quoting to support your position on the gold standard? Hm.

I'm curious why the Economist doesn't attempt to make predictions of its own based on the questions it asks the economists. Hindsight is 20/20, but beyond some sarcastic attempt to belittle the predictive abilities of prominent economists, I see precious little more foresight in the passages you've quoted.

Where are your predictions, miko? I'm sure you posted them here, and I just missed them.

-- Todd/Leviathn

miko2d · « **Reply #23 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:09:19 PM »

slimm50: er...the word I think you mean is "empathetic", unless, of course, you truly are an empath....

Actually, the dictionaries I use say "empathetic" is... "empathic"!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=empathetic

empathic
adj : showing empathy or ready comprehension of others' states;

empathy: Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity

This one seems about the same http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=empathy :
Main Entry: em·pa·thy
Pronunciation: 'em-p&-thE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek empatheia, literally, passion, from empathEs emotional, from em- + pathos feelings, emotion -- more at PATHOS
Date: 1904
1 : the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it
2 : the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

capt. apathy · « **Reply #24 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:22:31 PM »

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er...the word I think you mean is "empathetic", unless, of course, you truly are an empath....

an empath, as in a person, is only on startrek.

psst, klingons aren't real either.

miko2d · « **Reply #25 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:34:54 PM »

Dead Man Flying: Would this group of profoundly incompetent economists...

They are not incompetent. They are as highly competent applying Keynesian economic "theory" as astrologers, alchemists and fortune tellers are competent applying their highly sophisticated "sciences".

also include Alan Greenspan, whom you're very fond of quoting to support your position on the gold standard?

I have no position on "gold standard". Gold is just an example he used and a commodity historically commonly used as money. I am a proponent of a market-generated monetary system. Personally, I would use commodity money - maybe even the same gold. I have a pretty good idea what would emerge as free-market money based on historical experience but I would not presume to tell anyone what kind of money suits them.

Saying that someone is for gold (or any other standard) vs. fiat money is like saying he is for green uniforms against nazi's black ones.
It's not an issue of external attribites but oppression and choice. nazism and government mandated monetary system (even the gold standard) stand for oppression. Liberty and free market money stand for ... er.. liberty.

As for Greenspan, he is not engaged in economic discussions - ever. And when he ventures economic opinions - like calling the stockmarket bubble - nobody listens to him.
He is manipulating the monetary system and most likely doing that completely aware of the sound economic theory and all the implications.
Government-run monetary system is bad but there is no chance that US would have reverted to the free market, so it may as well be Greenspan that manipulates it. At least he can use the right theory to gauge the results of government intervention.

I'm curious why the Economist doesn't attempt to make predictions of its own based on the questions it asks the economists.

Let me guess, you do not read Economist. It's a magazine on economics. Most of what it prints is predictions and suggestions. Not that they are always based on the right science. Maybe just a bit more sound than the common one. They are closes to the London School of Economics and Chicago School (monetarists) than Austian but at least not prediminantly Keynsians.
They are more correct in the issues of trade and investment that monetary matters.

but beyond some sarcastic attempt to belittle the predictive abilities of prominent economists, I see precious little more foresight in the passages you've quoted.

This was an attempt of humor on their part. You can read all their issues on the same website.

Where are your predictions, miko? I'm sure you posted them here, and I just missed them.

I've posted predictions to the degree to which the sound economic science claims the predictions can be made in social sciences.

miko

mia389 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:10:29 PM »

why we blame the president for the economy? Cant blame it all on him.

miko2d · « **Reply #27 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:12:59 PM »

mia389: why we blame the president for the economy?

Cause we are ignorant of the economics and also do not know how our government works.

miko

type_char · « **Reply #28 on:** November 04, 2003, 05:04:57 PM »

Fascinating indeed