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Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:33:16 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Thanks for the link Eagler.

Hey I cant find in the text, at what point int he pregnacy does a partial birth abortion need to be done?

huh?

maybe before intercourse?

unless the mother is in life or death danger, you should not be allowed to suck the brains out of a 3rd trimester baby hanging out of a womans crotch ... can't image anyone would think or want otherwise..

SOB · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:43:53 PM »

I'd be curious to know how common this really is. Is it a common procedure or like MT said a rare occurance due to the mother's life being in danger. Any links?

As someone who's pro choice, I also still think there should be some limit to the time frame in which one can have an abortion.

BTW Eagler, try to form a compelling argument and maybe you can get by without posting pictures you know aren't welcome.

Eagler · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:50:26 PM »

SOB
I didn't realize how inhumane this "procedure" truly was until I stumbled across the link

I've seen numbers between 3000 and 5000 annually

sad part is it is only about 1% of all abortions committed in that year ... sry can't "form a compelling argument" for that

SOB · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:54:19 PM »

Do you know how many of those are related to the health of the mother? I'm gonna do some searching to find out more, but if you have links handy...

If you think what you've posted so far is compelling enough, then why did you post a picture that you knew was inappropriate for this board?

Furious · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:03:08 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it

That just may be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:14:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
That just may be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.

Why of course its a stupid statement, that would mean personal responsibility...something America has lost.

There is a waiting list for parents that want to adopt....

SOB · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:22:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Why of course its a stupid statement, that would mean personal responsibility...something America has lost.

There is a waiting list for parents that want to adopt....

The world isn't exactly hurting for new bodies, so unless your values (you being the person deciding to have an abortion) tell you that abortion is wrong, I fail to see where personal responsibility comes into play.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:24:55 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
The world isn't exactly hurting for new bodies, so unless your values tell you that abortion is wrong, I fail to see where personal responsibility comes into play.

There are other alternatives than abortion, ones that you don't have to live with on your conscious (such as killing an unborn child). These alternatives allow others to fulfill their dreams as well.

Regarding over-population, the Chinese are out-producing us 5 to 1, so its not going to make much difference.

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:26:21 PM »

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Pro-life groups uncovered an internal memo by Planned Parenthood which estimated that up to 60 (0.24%) of the more than 25,000 abortions performed annually in Virginia were D&Xs. 1 If this figure is accurate nationally, then there would be up to 2,880 D&X procedures per year in the U.S.

3000 to 4000 seem to be the most accurate numbers.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm

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Why Are D&X Procedures Performed?

3rd Trimester: They are also very rarely performed in late pregnancy. The most common justifications at that time are: The fetus is dead.
The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would place the woman's life in severe danger.
The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would grievously damage the woman's health and/or disable her.
The fetus is so malformed that it can never gain consciousness and will die shortly after birth. Many which fall into this category have developed a very severe form of hydrocephalus.

SOB · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:28:27 PM »

*I edited my last post for clarity - see the text in ( )...sorry if that threw you off.*

Well, there's no shortage of kids needing adoption either...just of babies. You would have to live with your concience if you and your wife chose to abort a baby. I feel the same way. However, someone else might not.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:36:46 PM »

really liked the mock horror eagler. and the classy shock pics fit your politics so well, you makin bombs yet?. sell that hate. bet you dont get banned that is the real joke.

what women do with their bodys is not of your or your invisable friends business.

simple really.

Innominate · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:37:51 PM »

I don't care what your stand on abortion is, partial-birth abortions are barbaric, and there is no good reason to perform them on a healthy baby and mother.

Frankly though, the only way I can see abortion being percieved as a black-and-white issue is under a religious basis. As the primary "ban all abortions" argument is religious in nature, it is something that should be left up to the individuals, not the government.

That said, the only good reason for having an abortion after the 1st trimester is if the mothers health is in danger. (Being lazy doesn't count, being indecisive probably means you shouldn't have one)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:42:04 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
* You would have to live with your concience if you and your wife chose to abort a baby. I feel the same way. However, someone else might not.

I understand. And that brings me to my original point, lack of personal responsibility...if you're taught personal responsibility at a high level during the nurturing process, you never think it applies to you.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #28 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:45:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader

what women do with their bodys is not of your or your invisable friends business.

simple really.

Its not "their bodies" Eagler is concerned about, there is another body within them he's concerned about. That, sir, is not "A womans body" (IMO)

midnight Target · « **Reply #29 on:** November 05, 2003, 04:53:25 PM »

PPA's have NOTHING to do with choice or personal responsibility. They are done only in rare circumstances. Please see the link I provided. It is not a one sided site.

Saying that the procedure is barbaric is just silly!

I heard about this one procedure where they will actually keep you awake while a Dr. opens your skull and operates on your brain!!! Then there is this one where huge clamps are used to rip open your chest while your still beating heart is cut out of your body! Then.... they take another heart and slam it into the same hole!!! ewwwwwwwwwwwww!