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Offline Innominate

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2003, 04:17:10 PM »
From the article:

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It seems clear that a penetrator of a yellow molten metal is what caused the damage...


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An RPG-7 can penetrate about 12 inches of steel — a thickness far greater than the armor that was penetrated on the tank in Baghdad. But the limited spalling evident in the photos accompanying the incident report all but rules out the RPG-7 as the culprit, experts say.

Limited spalling is a telltale characteristic of Western-manufactured weapons designed to defeat armor with a cohesive jet stream of molten metal. In contrast, RPG-7s typically produce a fragmented jet spray.

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2003, 04:27:29 PM »
I'm not buying a heat round yet... they don't stay together after penetrating the outer hull.  There was an intact core that continued through to the other side of the hull.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2003, 04:36:27 PM »
Didn't they just lose an M1 the other day to a road side bomb?



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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2003, 04:40:28 PM »
Ah, no worries found it.

M1 Abrams tank disabled by Iraq roadside explosion
 
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"An M1 Abrams tank was disabled in Iraq by a roadside explosion for the first time in an incident that killed two crew members and wounded a third, US military spokesmen said Wednesday.

Little information was available on the extent of damage or the type of explosive device used in the attack late Tuesday about 40 kilometers (25 miles) northeast of the town of Balad.

But it was another sign of the growing effectiveness of the attacks against even the most heavily armored US forces.

Two soldiers from the 4th Infantry Division were killed and one was wounded when their tank hit an unidentified explosive device," the US military said in a statement.

One of the dead was identified as Sergeant Michael Paul Barrera, 26, of Von Ormy, Texas. He was with the division's 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment.

Military spokesmen in Washington and Baghdad said it was the first time the army's main battle tank had been disabled by a roadside explosion since Iraqi opposition forces have begun targeting US convoys and patrols with so-called improvised explosive devices.

A US defense official, who asked not to be identified, said an improvised explosive device detonated as the tank rolled over it.

The force of the blast caused the behemoth to roll over an embankment, which is what killed and injured those inside, the official said.

The 4th Infantry Division has the latest model of the tank, the M1A2 SEP, which weighs 69.5 tonnes, is armed with a 120mm main cannon and is equipped for digitized communications.

"It is the most heavily equipped, and heavily armored main battle tank that the US has ever put out in the field, and supposedly can protect those inside fairly well," said Patrick Garrett, an analyst with GlobalSecurity.Org, a private research group.

"If it is true that a tank was damaged to this sort of extent resulting in fatalities by a simple roadside bomb, depending on whatever size it was, that does not bode well for the future of the occupation," he said.

"That really does prove there is no safe place for American soldiers," he said.

The incident also raises questions for the Stryker, the new wheeled armored vehicle that the army has made the centerpiece of its efforts to make its armored forces lighter and more rapidly deployable.

The Stryker has been scored by critics as too lightly armored to withstand rocket-propelled grenade fire. Its advocates say it makes up for it with advanced communications, greater mobility and precision firepower.

The army plans to deploy its first Stryker brigade to Iraq in the spring. "

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2003, 05:02:49 PM »
"The army plans to deploy its first Stryker brigade to Iraq in the spring. "

the first Stryker brigade is being deployed to Iraq now.  Friend of mine is a Company XO who is heading out in a couple weeks.  The Stryker is going to get quite a few killed..

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2003, 05:54:24 PM »
Cant really be all that mysterios. If it was a guided round the residue of warhead would be there to evaluate.
If they are not inidicating that they have that residue then it was a LAW of some sort.
Some kind of modern fused Heat warhead, could be any one of several.  Might even be a Recoiless as that would leave very little behind to evaluate.  Just a very good shot.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2003, 06:29:50 PM »
Pongo does a shaped charge stream stay so consitent to create same size holes all the way through the vehicle with open air spaces between components it hit?  I would imagine it would want to spread out after it exited the main metal armor - IIRC this is how some of composite layered armors work by letting the metal stream deform in a softer material..

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2003, 07:14:57 PM »
It's definately not a HEAT round.  Some kind of small caliber AP round of extremely high velocity.  How thick is the armor where the round first penetrated the M-1?  Anyone know?

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2003, 07:20:01 PM »
(Rueters)
Bagdad.
35 year old Iraqi man blows nose and propels brain out!
Making contact with US Army Tank #453 Leaving a pencil sizied hole in the turret.

Officials are baffled.
Pentagon spoke sperson said they believe this to be an isolated attack and do not feel the need to step up security.
Although extra rations of Kleenex have been shipped to the regione.:D

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2003, 07:22:46 PM »
Some type of rail gun maybe.  I think if it was somthing as big as 137mm somone would have noticed who shot it or were it came from.  Just speculation....not saying the iraqis have railguns but this is interesting.

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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2003, 07:36:50 PM »
An operational railgun would be far bigger than any man portable anti-tank missile.

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2003, 07:39:06 PM »
I'm telling you it's a high speed Iraqi brain bugger:eek:

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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2003, 08:09:42 PM »
I don't know what hit the tank, but I bet it was mounted on a flying carpet.

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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2003, 08:13:00 PM »
I think we can say it was osama and saddams love child that is also the second comming of jesus that did this. ALLAH ACKBAR

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2003, 08:20:40 PM »
Whatever weapon this is its extremely dense and travels at extremely high velocity in order to penetrate the skirt, side armor, a person, a few gadgets, and then get lodged on the other side of the tank.

Scary ****.