Author Topic: Something nocks out an M1A1 and no one knows what? (Read 2045 times)

mrblack · « **Reply #30 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:41:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
Whatever weapon this is its extremely dense

That explains it !
It must be an Iraqi:aok

bigsky · « **Reply #31 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:42:35 AM »

not a HEAT, unless it was some new kind with some sort of new kind with a penatrator. i would guess a APDS round from a 30mm soviet BMP-2. but those were rapid fire guns and this is only one hit. though one of those could have been taken from a BMP and mounted on something. might have been good for one shot only. if it was laying next to the road and hit point blank it may have done this. notice in the pics that they dont show a close up of the hole in the skirt armor. im surprised that they still keep it a secret how the uranium is layered with the pink ceramic material. yes a RPG will penetrate 12 inches of steel, but it has to be solid steel and hit perfectly square. thats why tanks have angles and curves. the armor on a m1 is not steel or a solid consistent material but a sandwitch of materials.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank4.htm
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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/at-16.htm
here is a missle with a penetrator

Tumor · « **Reply #32 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:18:23 AM »

I'm bettin it's Russian.

Scootter · « **Reply #33 on:** November 06, 2003, 06:47:02 AM »

Could it be a BLUE on BLUE incident?

Another M1A?

Why could it not be from a US weapon? you know fog of war.

I love reading all the conjecture here, like we are all knowing, myself included.

Rail gun, ha that is my favorite

Animal · « **Reply #34 on:** November 06, 2003, 07:28:28 AM »

I dont know of any US weapon capable of doing that damage. But maybe it was friendly fire.

A 30mm round from a Gau88 is the only thing I can think of capable of penetrating so much, and that would have killed the gunner for sure.

I doubt a shoulder fired weapon in the US arsenal is capable of doing that much penetration on an Abraham.

moot · « **Reply #35 on:** November 06, 2003, 09:31:54 AM »

strange there'd be no better cover up if it was a blue-blue.

Pongo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 06, 2003, 09:36:27 AM »

What the liner of the heat war head is made out of really effects the results after penetration. They seem to be saying its some kind of yellow metal.
The penetrator did break up quite a bit on the gun shield as expected. The seat and his jacket arnt enough to break it up much. Certainly it is far more coherent then what we see from an M72 or an RPG.

Just a very well fused very lucky shot with a modern Law of some kind.

Makarov9 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 06, 2003, 09:59:47 AM »

I wonder if Saddam was researching into sharks with freakin' laser beams on their heads?

LePaul · « **Reply #38 on:** November 06, 2003, 10:50:31 AM »

Golden BB

Same thing that brought down a F-117a a while back. Just dumb luck

davidpt40 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 06, 2003, 11:31:49 AM »

What part of the M1 is known as the 'skirt'? The article said the RPG7 could penetrate the skirt of the M1 very easily.

midnight Target · « **Reply #40 on:** November 06, 2003, 11:50:45 AM »

I'm skeptical that this is real. Would the Army release all this info if they were really confused about it? Seems a little fishy to me.

Sixpence · « **Reply #41 on:** November 06, 2003, 11:53:06 AM »

It was a camel fart

miko2d · « **Reply #42 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:06:10 PM »

What part of the M1 is known as the 'skirt'?

"Skirt" is a thin sheet of metal or other material that covers the upper part of the tracks and wheels on the sides of the tank.

It's purpose is to detonate the munitions before they come into contact with more important parts - track, wheels or armor. Skirt is often made of rubber on some tanks.
It totally defeats the AT-HE munitions that rely on spalling(sp?) effect and reduces effectivenes of shaped charge munitions.

The damage to the tank was likely formed by a regular well-formed shaped-charge jet that kept it's coherence longer than usual.

miko

-ammo- · « **Reply #43 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:08:24 PM »

It had to be hizooka fire that got him, or maybe a P-47 bounced his bullet stream into the tank.

Boroda · « **Reply #44 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:16:56 PM »

Looks like it's a HEAT high-velosity stream.

Probably something like a long-focus HEAT charge we studied in college.

This type of anti-tank weapon uses a metal stream from a cummulative charge to hit a target at a distance, not when the shell hits the armour.

US has such weapons since 80s. They even had a disposable robot with one charge focused at several dozen meters. The charge looked like a searchlight on top of a tiny tank.

Soviet army had cassete anti-tank bombs with elements dropped on parachutes, rotating, scanning the surface, and when a heat detector sences a tank engine - this thing goes boom and sends a cummulative stream for 20-30 meters. Cummulative stream moves at impressive 7-15km/s.

For example: RPG-7 HEAT charge has a deep cummulative funnel, all the explosive is around the long copper cone that forms a cummulative stream. This is a short-focus charge, where the stream is dangerous at short distance (centimeters). A long-focus cummulative charge looks like a searchlight, with a shallow spheric cumulative funnel. The cummulative stream doesn't fall apart for dozens of meters at least.

IMHO it was a modern anti-tank mine, designed to hit a tank from the side. It was indeed a "golden shot".

Sorry for silly explaination, I don't know English terms.

I studied for four years to be a warhead designer, had to quit and didn't finish college

Now, back to my original repertoir

It was the second Abrams knocked out of commission by the enemy in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

They lie as they breathe.

Arabian TV showed at least 3 burning M1s. Fourth one mysteriously "sank in Tigris". So three plus one makes one. I love this little military lies. "If you civilians are so clever - why don't you march in formations?" "In war time sinus can reach 3 and even four"...