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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2003, 03:28:36 PM »
It's a bad idea simply because this is the first time that the government has stepped in and banned a particular medical procedure.
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2003, 03:29:00 PM »
It was about the kids we are losing in Iraq everyday Miko. I believe in a woman's right to chose(though I do not like partials and prefer the decision made in the first month)
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2003, 03:32:11 PM »
Sixpence: That covers a broad spectrum. You said yourself there has to be some laws, and you will need armed goons to enforce them.

 Absolutely, the laws protecting citizens from agression against their persons and property and the laws enforcing the contracts.

 Any citizen is takes upon himself an obligation not to agress against the other citizens and the state enforces it.

 Since an abortion-minded citizen could not have possibly taken a voluntary obligation not to agress against his own fetus, and he/she could not have incured a voluntary obligation to let anyone protect that fetus,  there is no case for regulating such private behavior.

 Not saying it should be moral. Just that it should not be regulated by the state.

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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2003, 03:37:17 PM »
Texace sorry man. Sorry for your girlfriend too.  I can honestly say this is about the crappiest thing i have ever heard.

Of course she should have the choice in this situation to have an abortion.  I wouldnt even think twice about taking her to task on her decision. Not even saying "are you sure?"

I think it goes far beyond physical concerns as well.  I'm sure you are aware of all the other factors that could play into the situation if this baby was taken to term, so I wont mention them.
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2003, 03:43:01 PM »
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It was about the kids we are losing in Iraq everyday Miko. I believe in a woman's right to chose(though I do not like partials and prefer the decision made in the first month)


I'll add to that, my wife is a carrier of Duchenne muscular dystrophy. When she gets pregnant, if it is a boy(only boys get duchenne), it has a 95% chance of having the disease. There is a test to determine if the child(boy) has the disease. And we decided long ago after seeing what Matthew went through not to bring a child with the disease into the world. I would not want the government telling me I had no choice but to bring him into the world.
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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2003, 03:57:37 PM »
Getting killed is always a bummer.

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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2003, 03:59:45 PM »
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You see that pats-Broncos game? There was a Denver sports writer who said the Patriots had no chance and a Bronco victory was a lock.

Crow anyone?
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« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2003, 03:59:55 PM »
Here's an abortion.


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« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2003, 04:03:40 PM »
Ok, Ok, lets get back to bananas passion.

Wait...



Heart breaker...
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« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2003, 07:22:56 PM »
A guy named banana talking about abortion? Yeah, like HE will ever get anyone pregnant. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2003, 08:43:06 PM »
Would like to add a few facts

1. Polling numbers show 72% US supports the ban and women over 60% support ban on all abortions FYI.

2. # of  partials a year I think I read 4000

3. How many for "life saving reasons IMO 1%

4. Follow up to(3)  this so-called need for "life saving reasons" we have a procedure its called caesarian section . Baby lives mother lives. No one has to die.

That is crap about health of mother, buts its all the opposition has left to fight this on
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« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2003, 04:22:05 AM »
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Would like to add a few facts.....

 and women over 60% support ban on all abortions FYI.


Could you provide a link to this poll?
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« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2003, 07:31:40 AM »
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Would like to add a few facts

1. Polling numbers show 72% US supports the ban and women over 60% support ban on all abortions FYI.

2. # of  partials a year I think I read 4000

3. How many for "life saving reasons IMO 1%

4. Follow up to(3)  this so-called need for "life saving reasons" we have a procedure its called caesarian section . Baby lives mother lives. No one has to die.

That is crap about health of mother, buts its all the opposition has left to fight this on


Spent a good portion of last night trying not to think about this issue....JBA, as much as I support what your saying, only a doctor could convince me that the PBA was the only way to save a mother and a c-section would not work.
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« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2003, 07:34:21 AM »
Imagine for a second, your a father or father to be, anyway...

You wife is pregnant with your first child...

God forbid, she has complications in her 6th month..

could you imagine having to live with the choice...

Risk the life of the woman you love, or murder your unborn child....

Damn...

I would NEVER wish that fate on anyone.

Why not do a C-section like JBA said? No good?
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« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2003, 08:04:51 AM »
not sure the procedure is a "medical" procedure... more like a loophole.

Like haveing a doctor on hand at an execution doesn't really make it a medical procedure in my opinion.
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