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« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2003, 12:03:43 PM »
There ARE other parties in the politics than republicans and democrats :)

Which kind of wonders me why democrats and republicans seems to be the only effective political parties in US, which isn't good in democracy.
In democracy there should be more parties posessing the actual power than just two.....

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« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2003, 12:07:32 PM »
I guess it comes down to cash, Fishu.

Not really sure.

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« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2003, 12:07:39 PM »
Fishu: In democracy there should be more parties posessing the actual power than just two.....

 In the beginning. But any unlimited democracy inexorably progresses towards oligarchy and then to tyrany. We are around an oligarchy stage right now.

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« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2003, 12:11:58 PM »
There are many awsome people up here who I respect and have oposing view points. Hell MT convinced me yesteday that I should not support this bill. The wording in it is not right. I still do not like PBA but the Bill needs some revision.

Still People like LDV, nexus, weasel, etc are such a waste of time, they claim no one else gets it, lol but they really are the ones missing the point.

Just put them on ignore and listen to the guys with a clue no mater where they stand on issues.

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« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2003, 12:38:47 PM »
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There ARE other parties in the politics than republicans and democrats :)

Which kind of wonders me why democrats and republicans seems to be the only effective political parties in US, which isn't good in democracy.
In democracy there should be more parties posessing the actual power than just two.....


Yes, let's force people to join other parties to even things out.

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« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2003, 09:51:45 PM »
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Could you provide a link to this poll?


http://www.frtl.org/abortion/The%20sound%20of%20silence.htm
The Sound of SilenceThe media ignores a poll and reveals their bias.  By Joel Mowbray, a freelance writerAugust 23, 2001 12:10 p.m.
 
For the first time, as many Americans identify themselves as pro-life as pro-choice, according to a Gallup poll released last week. Just six years ago, the same poll had a 23-point margin, with 56 percent as pro-choice, and only 33 percent as pro-life. In light of the historical polling data and conventional political wisdom on abortion, this is nothing short of a minor miracle. And yet, even though the poll has been out for over a week, a search of the New York Times, Washington Post, L.A. Times, and the Associated Press finds nary a mention of this potentially major shift in popular opinion.Gallup didn't even issue a press release to generate some buzz about this intriguing poll result. It was posted on their website, but not on the front page or any page highlighting their latest polls.To be perfectly honest, I firmly believe that any single poll must be taken with a grain of salt. However, the media does not abide by this rule when a poll result confirms their liberal instincts.


http://www.ncfpc.org/stories/030602s1.html

Gallup Latest on America's Abortion Opinion

Special Report - June 2, 2003
The country’s views on abortion have remained relatively steady over the last year—a new Gallup poll finds—with 42 percent of respondents saying that abortion should remain legal,
That leaves 58% should be illegal.
but only in a few circumstances. On either extreme, 23 percent say that abortion should remain legal under any circumstance, while 19 percent feel it should be illegal in all circumstances. When asked under which circumstances they would support abortion, 82 percent of respondents said when the woman’s life is endangered, 72 percent in the case of rape or incest, 60 percent when the child would be born with a life-threatening illness, 50 percent when the child would be born mentally disabled, and 41 percent when the woman does not want the child for any reason. Each of these percentages dropped when applied to the third trimester.
In an apparent contradiction, while most Americans find some circumstance under which abortion should remain legal, a majority (53 percent) believes that abortion is morally wrong, while only 37 percent find it morally acceptable. This increase in moral opposition to abortion is up 8 percent from just two years ago when only 45 percent of respondents felt that abortion was morally wrong. Not surprisingly, there is a clear link between religious involvement and moral opposition to abortion. Seventy-eight percent of those who attend religious services weekly believe that abortion is morally wrong, while only 28 percent of those who seldom or never attend religious services feel the same. Women are also more likely to be morally opposed to abortion than men (56 to 49 percent respectively), as are those who are older, living in the East and identified as Republican. An earlier Gallup poll found a large majority (75 percent) of Americans opposed to partial-birth abortion while only 25 percent in support. This is significant as a partial-birth abortion ban continues its way through Congress.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/feb/03021705.html
GALLUP POLL SAYS 70% IN FAVOUR OF PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN
WASHINGTON, February 17, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - With a bill to ban partial birth abortion introduced last week, the National Right to Life has released the results of a Gallup poll on the procedure.

The January 2003 Gallup poll found that 70% favoured and 25% opposed "a law that would make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as 'partial birth abortion,' except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother."

NRLC warns however that some lawmakers who oppose the bill tell their constituents that they favour competing measures to restrict "late-term" abortions. The bills to which they refer are "phony bans" that are riddled with gaping exclusions and loopholes.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_poll2.htm
Here only 3.6% consider abortion a major issue with a margin of error at 3.2%
Zogby poll of 2000-MAY:
Zogby conducted a poll of 1,016 "likely voters" to determine  "what is the top issue facing the country [U.S.] today." They found that 34.8% of adults considered education, healthcare, or crime/drugs/violence to be the most serious issue. Abortion access was not a high priority concern for American adults. The pollsters lumped those who consider abortion to be the top issue, with those who consider "social issues, welfare, poverty" as the most important issues. The total for all four was only 3.6%. The margin of error is approximately 3.2 percentage points.
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« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2003, 12:52:36 AM »
If people want to kill their own offspring then let 'em. The world is probably better off without their genes in the pool anyhow. There should be an age limit though, maybe around 18yrs?

Let's just not sugar coat it by calling them fetuses. No difference between killing an 18 year old and a pba imo anyhow. Well, except that it might a lot more fun to kill some 18 year olds. ;)
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« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2003, 03:24:28 AM »
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... then we should as well ban masturbation, ......


Sure.. ruin my sex life BUTTHEAD!!! :mad:
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« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2003, 05:42:13 AM »
Ok JBA, where does it say 60% on all abortions? And I see those sites would have no bias.

"To be perfectly honest, I firmly believe that any single poll must be taken with a grain of salt. " That from your link.

Date Pro-choice Pro-life Mixed/neither
2000-JUL 50% 40% 4%
2000-MAR 48 43 2
1999-APR 48 42 3
1998-JAN 48 45 3
1997-AUG 47 44 3
1996-MAR 56 37 5
1995-SEP 56 33 5

Which poll do we go by, oh, I know, the one poll in the last twenty years that you like.
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« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2003, 05:56:25 AM »
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If people want to kill their own offspring then let 'em. The world is probably better off without their genes in the pool anyhow.


Spoken like a true christian
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« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2003, 09:00:54 AM »
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Spoken like a true christian


What would you know about it? This homey don't play the guilt trip some of you would try to lay down, kiss my prettythang.
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« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2003, 09:15:52 AM »
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What would you know about it? This homey don't play the guilt trip some of you would try to lay down, kiss my prettythang.


You're on a roll
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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2003, 09:27:10 AM »
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You're on a roll


I never stop rollin', no moss on me.
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« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2003, 09:27:51 AM »
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I never stop rollin', no moss on me.


You go boy
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« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2003, 11:34:18 AM »
Sixpence, ya know I'm not advocating killing babies. However, it is being done in our country on a large scale. In case you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic. I don't believe the innocent should be deprived of life no matter how little respect their parents may have for it. Just setting the record straight here.
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