Pro lifers.... does it bother you..

[GtoRA2]

That the Planned parenthood is lying through the rotten teeth about the partial birth abortion Bill?


PP page Check the 4th paragraph down.

They lie on their page and say there is no clause for womens health. There is

Find it here. This is a listing of the Bill.

I am prochoice and it pissed me off I was lied to about this. That clause is what made or broke this bill for me, since it is in there I am ok with it.


Here is the section.
Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter


This really makes me mad. I bet not one new media outlet goes after them for their lie.

[Wanker]

I think planned parenthood should be supplemented by an organization called "planned birth control", that proactively seeks to educate young folks on the virtues of birth control, and how to avoid pregnancy.

[GtoRA2]

banana
 When the jerkoffs are not lying about a perfectly good bill I think they are supposed to do that.

[DiabloTX]

What is ironic is they are called "Planned Parenthood" and from what I've seen if you go there for their services you didn't plan anything at all.  Hmmmmm...

[SOB]

Actually, their services include anything having to do with pregnancy and parenting.  Whether that be giving info about how/where to terminate an unwanted pregnancy to how to plan for a wanted pregnancy and stay healthy once you are pregnant.

That paragraph seems pretty clear but I haven't read the whole bill.  If they lied, they shouldn't have.  However, they certainly aren't stooping any lower than their counterparts have been willing to do.

[GtoRA2]

SOB
 I am pissed. Not at you, lol just at the world right now.

 Give me an example of a counterpart lying will ya?

[capt. apathy]

we had a friend a few years back who went to planned parenthood for an abortion.

when they asked how far along she was the woman said "crap, don't tell me that, we can't do abortions here if you are that far along.  if you say that's how far along you are we have to turn you away.  so think carefully, how far along are you telling me you are?"

just a little peek into how they opperate

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
we had a friend a few years back who went to planned parenthood for an abortion.

when they asked how far along she was the woman said "crap, don't tell me that, we can't do abortions here if you are that far along.  if you say that's how far along you are we have to turn you away.  so think carefully, how far along are you telling me you are?"

just a little peek into how they opperate

Thanks for the affirmation Capt.  

[midnight Target]

PP is right. There is no provision for the HEALTH of the mother only "necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered".

So if the mothers health is endangered there is no provision unless she will die.

No lie here. Move along.

[capt. apathy]

Actually, their services include anything having to do with pregnancy and parenting. Whether that be giving info about how/where to terminate an unwanted pregnancy to how to plan for a wanted pregnancy and stay healthy once you are pregnant.

not from the info I've recieved from people with first hand accounts.  (granted I don't spend a lot of my time with people who are willing to kill to avoid responsability for their actions)

2 different women I that I've known (one while living in kc and one here).  went to planed parenthood to get counseling after a 'surprise pregnancy'  they went to discuse their options (father is gone, what help is available, how would adoption work, what is the abortion procedure like,  what are the costs of each option, what is the likely-hood of someone adopting their kid?)  the where confused, scared and had no idea what they wanted to do.

when they arived and started asking questions they where basicly fed into a process..

something along the lines of "I'm pregnant and I need to talk to somebody about it"  followed by "fill out this form, take it over there and talk to her", nobody realy dicussing options, just running her through the machine.  both girls told me that other options where never discused,  it was taken for granted that the babies would be killed.  they where scared and confused and not once did anyone ask "are you sure this is what you want to do"  tehy where made to feel that to consider doing anything else was just to stupid to think about.

IMO the 'other services' offered, (aside from abortion and birthcontrol) are just a front so they can say they are 'pro-chioice' instead of anti-baby.

niether of my friends felt like they where given choices while there.

btw-the one in kc is now 22 years older, has a 2 year old kid and still has nightmares about the baby she murdered (her words not mine)

the one from portland would have a 8 year old kid if either of them where still alive.  she started using meth about 5 months after the abortion,  od'd on herion about 3 years later.

[Horn]

Originally posted by GtoRA2


They lie on their page and say there is no clause for womens health. There is

Find it here. This is a listing of the Bill.

I am prochoice and it pissed me off I was lied to about this. That clause is what made or broke this bill for me, since it is in there I am ok with it.


Here is the section.
Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter


This really makes me mad. I bet not one new media outlet goes after them for their lie.

You haven't been lied to. Notice in your post that the bill only deals with saving the life of the mother--no reference to the health, either physical or mental of the mother.

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Dang Midnight, beat me to it!

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by midnight Target
PP is right. There is no provision for the HEALTH of the mother only "necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered".

So if the mothers health is endangered there is no provision unless she will die.

No lie here. Move along.

What?  Did you miss this part?

This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

Seems to me that the bill is worded to the effect that if the pregnancy is causing the mother ANY kind of health problems then PBA's are ok if it is needed to save the mother.  

If I am missing something please tell me, I am not sure what it is you are missing MT.

[capt. apathy]

no mt and horn have that right.  it clearly says her life must be endangered, by these health problems.

so if whe may be stressed out afterward from having children, or gain weight (wich is a major health issue)  she can't use them as a excuse for murder.

I do realise there are serious (although not life threatening) issues, that would set up a situation where it would be better for the mothers health to have an abortion.  the problem is the pro-death lobby would use these as loopholes to make the law irelivant.

[SOB]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
SOB
 I am pissed. Not at you, lol just at the world right now.

 Give me an example of a counterpart lying will ya?

From National Right To Life (on their web page in the "Abortion:Some medical facts" section):

"There is strong evidence that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. A study of more than 1,800 women appearing in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1994 found that overall, women having abortions increased their risk of getting breast cancer before age 45 by 50%. For women under 18 with no previous pregnancies, having an abortion after the 8th week increased the risk of breast cancer 800%. Women with a family history of breast cancer fared even worse. All 12 women participating in the study who had abortions before 18 and had a family history of breast cancer themselves got cancer before age 45."

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf13.html
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From the National Cancer Institute:

In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer.

http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_75.htm
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I don't fault right to life any more than I do planned parenthood though...neither should be presenting lying or bending the truth.

[GtoRA2]

Sob
 Thanks for the info.

 MT
 I still see it as them lying.  Aborting a late term child should ONLY be done when the life of the mother is at risk. Give me one good reason why it can not be decided in the first 6 months?