Author Topic: The Real Jessica Lynch (Read 2394 times)

Gunthr · « **on:** November 07, 2003, 12:12:19 AM »

From Drudge:

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Jessica Lynch criticized military for exaggerating accounts of her rescue and recasting her ordeal as patriotic fable.... MORE.. Asked by ABCNEWS anchor Diane Sawyer if military's portrayal of rescue bothered her, Lynch said: 'Yeah, it does. It does that they used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, it's wrong' ... Asked how she felt about reports of her heroism: 'It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about. Only I would have been able to know that, because the other four people on my vehicle aren't here to tell the story. So I would have been the only one able to say, Yeah, I went down shooting. But I didn't' ... Asked about claims the military exaggerated danger of the rescue mission: 'Yeah, I don't think it happened quite like that'...

I think she's a good kid.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2003, 02:08:55 AM »

by ur quote i feel your trying to put down the US military..

yes propganad must be doen..

you think she has any idea of how the whole war game works?..i dont..

but i thank her very much for what she has done..i glady pay here salary

im pissed the frikn Liberal anti amercan media who wraps itself in our flag loves to plaster all over.." she said "ya its wrong"..lord knwos war is supposed to be all flowers..and us military are bad bad poeple..

love
BiGB
xoxo

Gunthr · « **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2003, 06:46:19 AM »

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by ur quote i feel your trying to put down the US military..

yes propganad must be doen..

you think she has any idea of how the whole war game works?..i dont..

but i thank her very much for what she has done..i glady pay here salary

im pissed the frikn Liberal anti amercan media who wraps itself in our flag loves to plaster all over.." she said "ya its wrong"..lord knwos war is supposed to be all flowers..and us military are bad bad poeple..
love BiGB
xoxo

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Actually, I'm a huge supporter of the military, and of the war in Iraq. I have absolutely no problem at all with propaganda during a war either - if it is done by people who know what they are doing.

But I have to call a spade a spade. The propaganda in this case was pretty transparently amateurish in my opinion. It stank from the beginning. And instead of giving America and the US Army a hero, whatever cowboy engineered the legend of Jessica Lynch gave us a black eye, subjected the Army to ridicule, and politically damaged the Commander in Chief. That pisses me off.

As far as Jessica Lynch herself is concerned, she is just a country girl - a kid. I don't think we can expect her to lie about what happened, or expect her to try to live a lie and face the media and keep up a facade. She had no business being in a combat zone anyway.

muckmaw · « **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2003, 07:29:29 AM »

In the words of Funked....

"I'd hit it".

Gunthr · « **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2003, 07:32:02 AM »

Well, duh

Mighty1 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2003, 07:57:59 AM »

My only comment on this is ...was she even aware of what was going on when she was rescued?

Not saying the military didn't milk it for everything they could but from what I've read she wasn't totally coherent during the rescue.

miko2d · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2003, 08:21:02 AM »

What the heck are you talking about, people?

In a democratic country the people are souvereign and the government is the servant of the people.
The people are supposed to manipulate the government through the vote or elected representatives and the government is obligated to inform the electorate so the people can make the informed decisions.

Propaganda that involves any degree of falsity is competely contradictory to the democracy and in fact destroys democratic process by depriving the people from ability to make informed decisions.
Totalitarian regimes engage in propaganda to prevent their subjects from revolting. At least they openly espouse the idea that people are worthless, not entitled to have an opinion and should be ruled.
Of course so does our government but I would not expect of you guys to approve of it.

If you believe that the majority of the US population would not approve of some actions if it knew the truth, than maybe we should not undertake that action. After all that is what your beloved democracy and "will of majority" is all about. You may think that majority is stupid and wrong but as long as you are a for democracy, you should not act or approve of defying the peope's wishes or manipulating the people into acting contrary to their inclinations.

As for Jessica, I hope that her great looks reflect the improvement in her health.
I would have sudgested that she becomes a spokesperson for re-arming the non-combat personnel of US military with Mini-14 - which do not jam if left uncleaned. But if Mini-14 gets adopted by the military, it will promptly join the list of the "evil assault weapons" and get's banned in NYS, where it's the only legal rifle of a kind. So I will not suggest it to her.

miko

Sixpence · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2003, 08:27:05 AM »

Some call it lies, some call it propaganda, depends on the spin.

Mighty1 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2003, 09:00:43 AM »

It Sucks when you come to our country and it doesn't meet your expectations doesn't it? To bad we can't be as good as your home country.

Gunthr · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2003, 09:00:49 AM »

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What the heck are you talking about, people?

In a democratic country the people are souvereign and the government is the servant of the people.
The people are supposed to manipulate the government through the vote or elected representatives and the government is obligated to inform the electorate so the people can make the informed decisions.

Propaganda that involves any degree of falsity is competely contradictory to the democracy and in fact destroys democratic process by depriving the people from ability to make informed decisions.
Totalitarian regimes engage in propaganda to prevent their subjects from revolting. At least they openly espouse the idea that people are worthless, not entitled to have an opinion and should be ruled.
Of course so does our government but I would not expect of you guys to approve of it.

If you believe that the majority of the US population would not approve of some actions if it knew the truth, than maybe we should not undertake that action. After all that is what your beloved democracy and "will of majority" is all about. You may think that majority is stupid and wrong but as long as you are a for democracy, you should not act or approve of defying the peope's wishes or manipulating the people into acting contrary to their inclinations.

As for Jessica, I hope that her great looks reflect the improvement in her health.
I would have sudgested that she becomes a spokesperson for re-arming the non-combat personnel of US military with Mini-14 - which do not jam if left uncleaned. But if Mini-14 gets adopted by the military, it will promptly join the list of the "evil assault weapons" and get's banned in NYS, where it's the only legal rifle of a kind. So I will not suggest it to her.

miko

When I say that I have no problem with propaganda , in war I am referring to the efforts to minimize problems and emphasize successes.

I'm actually referring to disinformation rather than the dictionary definition of propaganda, ie, "The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause."

War is all about disinformation. Armies have engaged in disinformation during wartime from the begining of organized warfare, including psychological warfare. Its just crazy to expect the US Army to be transparent while its conducting a war.

I'm naturally against the practise of propaganda by government.

And Lynch should have maintained her rifle better. She was responsible for that. And you are correct in not recommending the mini 14 for support personnel - in effect, you could call that "shooting yourself in the foot"

Charon · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2003, 10:23:28 AM »

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And Lynch should have maintained her rifle better. She was responsible for that. And you are correct in not recommending the mini 14 for support personnel - in effect, you could call that "shooting yourself in the foot"

I place more blame on a command structure (and not just local command) that doesn't prioritize weapons maintenance (or training, or common soldier skills, etc.) for troops that will be in the line of fire from time to time but not as a main focus of their MOS. It was a cluster**** and she certainly wasn't the only soldier with a weapon jam. The whole "spin" applied to highlight the "heroics" does no favor to the soldiers whose lives are still on the line in a combat zone. All it does is help cover some senior command ass.

Charon

Sarge1 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2003, 11:07:19 AM »

well about command and training. i was a sgt squad leader i did all that it was my resoposiblity to keep then trained and up td date. Your told frm day 1 almost on keeping the weapon cleaned an doperational cuase it will save your life.. that was pounded into their heads . Sgts go thru NCO school and are trained over and over again what they are to do for the people below them. the indivdual soldier to the CO have to train theor people. Why in a desert situation some werent pushed to keeping weapons clean.

as in mini 14 -- rather have a ak47 with some kick bellybutton power and worked even though the enemy never or hardly cleaned a gun the whole time they used them. Or i would rather for samll size gun would be the M4 swat type 223, mini 14 wasnt that good as the M14 which some gals would hate to tote around.. about 15 lbs. and alsmot as tall.

As In the word "HERO" well Audey Murphy and those that went above and beyond the call of duty that is a hero. being ambushed and defending your self then being capture not a hero . many hero's left Viet Nam dead and alive and mamed they got what.. (read PS below)

J. Savage well i feel for her cause of went she went thru till she was rescued. I think the hype was done for army reasons for moral. Army PIO are newspaper inclined soldiers for the story, new papers and tv well they do it for the buck, ratings and to hell with the truth or what ever it takes to sell their stuff.. I think she knows what is what and wouldnt lie about anything . for she will have to live with it. and face the ones that did not survived that incident. Being a Pretty woman and a POW isnt what you would call a picnic. I am happy she survived and back home . to her for being there. I also would like to thank her for replying to my letter i sent telling her what i thought about it. Was niice to do that to all the mail she got.

( the only time i will salute ever for those who serve and die) those men and women that wear a Uniform I will wanted to add that too cause you dont see me do that in game.. So dont be upset if i dont give a in online game.

opinion from a Vet from the RVN era.

ps
thats right baby boomers still wont forgive ya for spitting on us you dogs
For civilians that talk out thier butt that dont know much about military except what they read cause they have a billions excuses why they didnt serve.. bite me

dumbest excuse of them all is "i dont like being told what to do" you are told what to do till the day you die for your info

kappa · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2003, 12:08:16 PM »

I dont believe you were in the military............. Sorry, I cant believe an officer after seeing action would type/talk like that...............

k
AoM

Sarge1 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2003, 12:27:14 PM »

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I dont believe you were in the military............. Sorry, I cant believe an officer after seeing action would type/talk like that...............

office no way Sgt, and yes you can questions me on it if you want.lol as i look at my two honorable disharges on the wall you know what a 95B30 is.. talk like that...lol well what is it i said that was wrong. excpet the ps part but that was truth back then ..

The Heros part, well why should she be a hero medals (valor) above and beyond what is excpected of you as, as in what a hero means in the army , how many guys saved others lives that could of easly ran and took cover, stayed till help arrived fighting. You better look up hero , being captured and wounded is a purple heart. losing blood for your country, that she deserves and hope she was awarded one.

what you didnt like what i said about those that spit on Us returning ..

you dont like what i said about training

it must of been my opinion of the mini 14 then

or that wasnt posted to what i said. youshould clearify that post abou t not being military .. if wasnt for me then forget this post if . since it was under mine i assume it was meant for me

i would like to know what was bad..

I was and is and will always be for the USA and for which our country stands for, And will always defend all fellow soldiers and our country , reguardless of what all the countries say about us. they sure did forget that most aren speaking all german and japanese. Not all countries just the select few that forgot

Mini D · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2003, 12:48:48 PM »

She was called a liar despite having not said a word.
Now she's being championed despite barely being conscious.

I find it funny that people are blaming military propaganda for this. I can't deny they tried to build it up, but the media took very little and ran in all directions with it. They are continuing to do so, and somehow spinning it so the military is being blamed for it. How ironic.

MiniD