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« on: November 07, 2003, 10:30:22 PM »
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks%20Target%20Homepage.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=38&rnd=185.67189120731248

We’re Not Getting a Bang for Our Buck

Let’s say you own a small trucking company with 20 drivers, but six of your operators are dysfunctional in one way or another. In the real world – to stay in business – you'd have to sack ‘em to survive.

But, apparently, the U.S. Army’s Ready Reserve Force doesn’t need to be concerned about the bottom line as long as we taxpayers have deep pockets. An estimated 60,000 of the 205,000 soldiers on their books can’t deploy to combat zones because of medical problems – and an alarming number of these non-deployables are either wacko, overweight or otherwise physically not up for the fighting game. The Army Reserve also has the largest numbers of females of any of the services – 25 percent – so there are more pregnancies, as well as other family problems. For instance, many serving moms aren’t able to muster sitters when they’re ordered to head toward the world’s hot spots.

Does the Army brass fire these non-producers, as would any prudent civilian boss, or just continue billing us for the approximately one-third of the Army Reserve that’s unfit to fight?

Listen up, and you'll hear the sound of checks being cut.

That’s partly because the Army Reserve is built around numbers. Generals get stars and colonels eagles depending on the head count. “My command has 12,000 troops and is well above its quota,” brags a two-star who doesn't give a rat’s behind whether or not 4,000 of his soldiers can pick up an M-16 rifle and close with the enemy.

“In the Reserve, manpower numbers are everything,” says a sergeant major who recently retired because of the rampant corruption. “It’s also why we have loads of deadbeats, people who may or may not show up for drill – resulting in lots of time spent on phone calls, counseling statements, etc., all of which produce nothing – and people you wish would stay home since they just get in the way. All too often the Reserve becomes ‘welfare in uniform’ for slugs. Although filling our ranks with them drives up a unit’s numbers, the truth is they drive down a unit’s effectiveness, and they drive away the better troops who get fed up with continually having to deal with the dregs.”

The war in Iraq has showcased both the Army’s strengths and its weaknesses – and it’s clear that the Reserve falls into the latter category. Now Congress needs to investigate why this important force flunked the course, using at least the same level of enthusiasm that motivated its examination of Bill Clinton’s maneuvers with Monica.

But more likely, Congress will mimic the three brass monkeys and see, hear and smell no evil. Why? Pork. With an annual budget of almost $6 billion, the Reserves bring heavy dough to every state. Which means that carrying the 60,000 non-deployables costs you and me almost $2 billion a year for dead wood.

In 1989, Simon & Schuster published About Face, a book in which I took the Army to task. Before you could say George Patton, I was sitting in Secretary of the Army Mike Stone’s Pentagon office outlining my *****es. When I told him that the Army Reserve force and National Guard couldn’t hold off a Boy Scout troop on a summer day and needed major surgery, he replied with great prescience, “Hack, it would be easier to clean up the Catholic Church.”

That said, following the tried-and-true example of the Marine Corps – which gives us a great return for our tax dollar with the Marine Reserve – the Army Reserve and National Guard should be merged into one structure. The political generals and colonels should then be replaced by regular soldiers right down to the regimental level. The reservists’ primary tasks should be light infantry, military police, intelligence, medical, civil affairs and transport; they shouldn’t be saddled with complicated missions such as armor, since their limited training period – 38 days a year – makes their ability to be combat-ready impossible.

Only highly motivated, concerned citizens who understand that their national security is at risk and who are sick and tired of being ripped off can make this happen.

And if you don’t believe our Army Reserve system is broken, just ask any reservist below the grade of major for the facts.

The address of David Hackworth's home page is Hackworth.com. Sign in for the free weekly Defending America column at his Web site. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179, Greenwich, CT 06831. His newest book is “Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts.”

© 2003 David H. Hackworth.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2003, 10:36:04 PM »
I don't particularly care for Mr. Hackworth, but I do share his views on our military OOB concerning Reserves and NG units.  Not that they can't do the job, just that it is an inefficent way to maintain force levels, at best.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2003, 10:58:25 PM »
An old saying;

SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT !!!

YOUR NATIONAL GUARD IS .....................
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2003, 03:34:42 AM »
lol silat,

personally I think the reserves are great oppertunity for people but I think the views expressed in this article bring up good concern for the training some of these people are getting.

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2003, 03:46:45 AM »
David Hackworth is the most decorated living U.S. soldier.  I have two of his books sitting on the shelf next to me right now.

He actually deserted his unit in 1950something because they were sub-standard in combat.  Went from deserter to most decorated living soldier (and being a colonel after starting out as private).  I believe he knows whats hes talking about.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2003, 04:22:02 AM »
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Originally posted by davidpt40
David Hackworth is the most decorated living U.S. soldier.  I have two of his books sitting on the shelf next to me right now.

He actually deserted his unit in 1950something because they were sub-standard in combat


WOW! My HERO! Desert your guys because you decide they are sub-standard!

WTG! I bet all the troops would love a guy like this in their ranks.

p.s. Maybe he studied the same chemistry book as yourself and is very much enlightened.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2003, 04:24:05 AM by NUKE »

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2003, 05:05:18 AM »
Easy for you to say.  Why would anyone want to stick with a sub-standard unit?  Just more of a chance to get wounded or killed, and less to kill the enemy.

p.s. Substandard units are where they put people who are too dumb to understand simple chemistry examples.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2003, 06:16:11 AM »
Davidpt,

Your comments are totally thoughtless and tactless.  To even suggest the idea of desertion is a piss poor decision and even more catastrophic in terms of moral.  If I was to march in to combat, I would prefer all my fellow troops are 100%, but, I know the truth, that there are those that will die,b ecause they are stupid, and unfortunately they may take me, or some others with them.  BUT, I would never THINK of desertion, because I have too much honor, and realise that it is my duty.  I will pick up the extra slack and carry on the fight as best I can.  Because that is what it is all about, duty, honor, and commitment to your fellow trooper.  

Maybe it is time you put down your book, and join up, so that you can formulate your own opinion and stop filling this board with mindless repetition to buiild up your post count.

THen again, I doubt you could handle the discipline.


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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2003, 08:10:03 AM »
please please dont think the military is what hes describing.


and yea im a combat vet.

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2003, 08:30:28 AM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
please please dont think the military is what hes describing.


and yea im a combat vet.


He as in Hackworth?  

I dont know much about him, I see he is long time combat vet, but does he have some axe to grind with the army in general after he left?

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2003, 08:36:23 AM »
how did all those goobers get in in the first place. I was in the navy delayed enlistment program 1 month from basic, when the recruiter got my records mixed up and thought I was taking ritalin, which I hadnt for almost 10 years. I got booted out( the p*****) Met him the next year at a davis monthan airshow and he asked if I was still taking it. I said "no I havent for almost 10 years." he said "well we thought you were since you arent you want to sign up again. I swear if the MPs didnt have a booth next to the navys Ida strangled him:mad:
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2003, 10:44:02 AM »
I can relate to some of this.  In my time in the Air National Guard, part of my job was to work the "fat boy program" as we knew it.  I was never on it, I just had to do the follow ups.  I was always in awe at the high ranked folks would lecture their porky troops about loosing weight and being within regs...yet behind closed doors, I'd measure THEM up and they'd fail horribly...yet no barking come to them.  The doublestandard was amazing.

This, and other political "buddy system" things are what made me opt to leave the service in 1994.  When I was passed over for a promotion in a computer/netowrk field...and a girl who knew nothing about computers.."but needed 2 more years in to get her 20" got it, I opted not to re enlist.

I miss the service, not the politics.

When I first joined, one month after I was in, my commander blew the whistle on this sort of behavior and was fired.  I didn't realize I'd endure this for the length of my enlistment.

I dont know how it is with the actives...but the buddy-system/political baloney seems rampant in the Guard.

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2003, 11:49:48 AM »
When I was in Kuwait this last summer about 3/4 of our non combat patients were ARNG and AR soldiers.

Some of them were just plain fat and sloppy and unable to handle the heat in any form.  We literally had a couple of patients that tipped the scales at over 265 pounds.  That's ok if you are 6'9 or are a body builder but these guys were coming in complaining of chest pain and had 46 inch guts.

We also had SGT E-5s over 50 years old with multiple medical problems.  We had one guy that had a bypass done on him just a year earlier.  How the heck can someone with major heart surgery still get deployed to the Gulf?  

The problem is that the physical fitness standards for the military aren't enforced in the National Guard like they are supposed to.  We saw guys that obviously hadn't done PT (physical training) since basic training-for some of them that was 15 years ago.  To dump them in a highly stressful, physically demanding job was too much for some.  Not all, in fact probably 95% did fine but we did see a big uptick in admissions in our hospital simply from guys that were in no way shape or form fit for combat duty.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2003, 12:43:20 PM »
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Easy for you to say.  Why would anyone want to stick with a sub-standard unit?  Just more of a chance to get wounded or killed, and less to kill the enemy.

p.s. Substandard units are where they put people who are too dumb to understand simple chemistry examples.


That explains why this guy was a deserter...he was too stupid to understand an eronious chemistry book example.

So any soldier can make up his own mind and decide on his own that a unit is "sub-standard" then desert in order to save his sorry ***? WOW! What a great idea for running a military.

Maybe this putz was ahead of his time.

p.s Im about as stupid as you are smart
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2003, 12:48:45 PM »
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David Hackworth is the most decorated living U.S. soldier.  I have two of his books sitting on the shelf next to me right now.

He actually deserted his unit in 1950something because they were sub-standard in combat.  


What a patriot and a true war hero!