Author Topic: Illegal immigrants file suit (Read 6327 times)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #75 on:** November 10, 2003, 08:47:15 PM »

I don't think they should be jailed I think they should be deported, I think if they continue to come back after a deportation or 2 a bit of jail time might make the point.

the fact is they don't pay taxes on their income(which is one of the reasons they can work for less money). americans who don't pay taxes get to go to prison, illegals get a hot meal, a free ride home and they keep their illegaly earned wages and have plenty of activist groups looking out for them.

maybe other types of criminals should have such a support system in place.

ramzey · « **Reply #76 on:** November 10, 2003, 09:28:47 PM »

its closed wheel

like in Polish law about selling your body ( being potato)

Tax office cannot charge you for selling yourself beucose prostitution is illegal in Poland.
But you must pay taxes, so must lie about you own busines and register it as "massage" or something.

They cannot pay taxes beucose are here illegal
Thay are here illegal , so is no way to pay taxes and not be deported.
Tax office cannot charge somone who not exist. Thay cannot register for work cuz they are not exist.
If they get rights to pay taxes, they start be legal here.
If they start be here legal and pay taxes will demand higher payrols, cuz they are here legal . And must earn more to pay taxes.
If gov establish easy way to come in US, soon will be here half of the world. And that will ruin this country. Without cheap workers , big companies move yourself to places where labours are cheeper. And som kinde's of works cannot be done, cuz noone will like to work for so low money.
U.S was build on the backs's of chaap immigrants laybours. Let them still work

weird wheel

Elfie · « **Reply #77 on:** November 10, 2003, 09:30:41 PM »

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Originally posted by ramzey
i understand your point, but blame this peoples who hire unqualified labors. Blame people who like to buy cheaper homes. Ugly capitalists like to earn more for yourself

Fact is, the new homes arent being sold any cheaper. The only person making any more money in this case is the framing contractors.

Elfie · « **Reply #78 on:** November 10, 2003, 09:48:01 PM »

You are from Poland correct Ramzey?

I have an idea.....why dont we (America) round up all the ILLEGAL immigrants and ship them to Poland. Then when they take jobs from you, your family or friends you will sing a different tune.

We have immigration laws for a reason. If you break those laws you have no buisiness being here.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #79 on:** November 10, 2003, 09:54:28 PM »

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They cannot pay taxes beucose are here illegal
Thay are here illegal , so is no way to pay taxes and not be deported.
Tax office cannot charge somone who not exist. Thay cannot register for work cuz they are not exist.
If they get rights to pay taxes, they start be legal here.
If they start be here legal and pay taxes will demand higher payrols, cuz they are here legal . And must earn more to pay taxes.

very good point, especially the part about those who come here legally and follow the laws would need to make more money for the work (just like the rest of us require). so not only do these criminals working illegaly in our country screw up the wage/work ration by providing labor that doesn't require the payment of things that honest employers and workers pay (taxes, ss taxes, workers comp, unemployment insurance[which keeps people who do seasonal work from joining the welfare roles when out of work, as some of the money that would have been available to you as wages is set aside to cover the off time when you are unemployed through no fault of your own]

all of these things cost the employer to provide, also safe working conditions, through safety equipment, training, maintenence of tools, and work-comp insurance cost a large amount of cash(work-comp premiums can be more than the wages themselves in some types of construction)

so it's not just the wages that give the POS hiring illegals an unfair advantage. it's not even half of the savings.

and all this screws the american worker, and it screws the imigrant who came here legally, who have to pay into the same funds and taxes we all do. while competing with a person who is untaxed, uninsured, not providing any contingency for when the work ends (unemployment) to keep him off the welfare lines and or planning for their own healthcare so they don't just run up emergancy room bills and move on leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab through increased cost.

it also screws the honest american bussinessman who cares about his employees and wants to provide a chance to earn a good life, and a work environment that is as safe as reasonably achivable. preffers to provide decent wmployment where where honest hard working law-abiding people whos work keeps his bussines and income flowing.

every time we over-look illegals working here, and the POS who hire them we put a screwing into the honest bussinesment and the workers (native or imigrant) who do an honest days work and follow the laws.

"I needed the money" is no more a valid excuse for illeagal employment practices than it is for theft or robery.

we often look the other way on work place law but every time you let it slide you make our system more profitable for the criminals and harder for the honest man to get by.

it's not reasonable to operate under a system that reward crooks and then complain about crime rates.

ramzey · « **Reply #80 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:12:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
You are from Poland correct Ramzey?

I have an idea.....why dont we (America) round up all the ILLEGAL immigrants and ship them to Poland. Then when they take jobs from you, your family or friends you will sing a different tune.

We have immigration laws for a reason. If you break those laws you have no buisiness being here.

dude, we have our own illegal imigrants. U.S are not separated example. Everyone moving to west

From china in both directions, from Russia , Ukraina, Poland to Germany, France, UK to far west.

Sometimes they are only transiting, sometimes stay.
It allways was , and will be for whole world. You like or not

We not need illegal imigrants to ruin our economy, we have our own politics;-)

And dont hide behinde law words. You like to use them only if is for you good. Sometimes this words are empty

NUKE · « **Reply #81 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:39:41 PM »

Did you guys know that, for a person caught illegally in the US for the first time, it is a misdomeanor

A second time being caught and it's a felony.

I say off to the tent city jails for 5 years.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #82 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:48:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I have an idea.....why dont we (America) round up all the ILLEGAL immigrants and ship them to Poland. Then when they take jobs from you, your family or friends you will sing a different tune.

You, your family or your friends are losing jobs to illegal immigrants?

As far as I know the fast food, janitorial, and kitchen services are always looking for employees.

Anything else, I'm pretty sure there is no contest an American will get a job over an illegal immigrant.
-SW

ramzey · « **Reply #83 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:56:34 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You, your family or your friends are losing jobs to illegal immigrants?

As far as I know the fast food, janitorial, and kitchen services are always looking for employees.

Anything else, I'm pretty sure there is no contest an American will get a job over an illegal immigrant.
-SW

lol, so true

Montezuma · « **Reply #84 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:01:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Dune
Give them their back pay and ship them back to Mexico.

Most of the Wal-Mart illegals rounded up in the first batch were eastern europeans.

Elfie · « **Reply #85 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:04:58 PM »

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As far as I know the fast food, janitorial, and kitchen services are always looking for employees.

I went to 9 different fast food restaurants last week looking to fill out applications, only 2 even let me fill one out. They said they weren't hiring now but would keep my app on file

Elfie · « **Reply #86 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:06:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma
Most of the Wal-Mart illegals rounded up in the first batch were eastern europeans.

So send them back to whichever country they came from.

Montezuma · « **Reply #87 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:08:19 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
I say off to the tent city jails for 5 years.

Who wants to pay for that?

Our Republican Congress and President aren't too big on doing anything about the illegal problem that might actually solve it, like arresting employers of illegal aliens. This would cause other problems though, like wrecking certain sectors of the economy.

NUKE · « **Reply #88 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:20:39 PM »

I think it would be cheaper to put them in tent cities and put an end to their blatant law breaking than to continue to allow them to pour into the country.

I also think that there needs to be a deterent factor. If they get locked up, I doudt they'd come back again illegally.

There are an estimated 8-12 million here illegally now. Something has to be done about them. They need to be rounded up and shipped back to where they came from. If they come back, jail time!

capt. apathy · « **Reply #89 on:** November 11, 2003, 01:16:39 AM »

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You, your family or your friends are losing jobs to illegal immigrants?

As far as I know the fast food, janitorial, and kitchen services are always looking for employees.

Anything else, I'm pretty sure there is no contest an American will get a job over an illegal immigrant.
-SW

these jobs are only undesireable because the wages are kept low by people in theis country illegaly, working for illegal wages, and in illegal conditions.

if the illegals weren't there to take the jobs at the wages offered, then the wages would have to be increased until they became more valuable, making the job more and more desireable until enough people where interseted that the job would be filled.

that's how you arive at what a 'fair wage' is (unless you are in a union with a colective bargaining agreement), if nobody(who is legaly able to work) is interested in doing the job(legally with all apropriet taxes paid), at the offered wage then the job isn't paying enough. quite simply if the situation was a fair exchange of work for wage you'd have no problem finding an army of people willing to take that job.

by the same token if you had hundreds waiting in line for any available opening, then it's a fairly safe bet your providing wages (or other compensation) that prospective employees more than fair. or at the very least competitive with other options they have available.

it's like the people who whine constantly that they can't find employees who are bright, dependable and with a good work ethic. my usual opinion is that maybe the reason they aren't seeing 'desirable potential employees' in their interview process is they aren't offering enough to catch the interest of those who have other choices. when you offer minimum wage you shouldn't be suprised when minimum quality aplicants show up.