F4c kill death ratio

[Hazed]

anyone checked out k/d in f4 compared to all other planes?
  no particular reason for post but hmmmmmm

[Toad]

Hazed,

This was in "least popular planes" topic, posted 8/8/00.

You could update the numbers for the past week if you were really interested!  

I'm not interested enough.  


Well, what happens when we focus on Air-to-Air kills?
Here's a view of the F4U-1C vs the FW190-A5 when you remove ground vehicles and the denfenseless C-47 (simply a big, slow target) from the Tour 7 stats.

F4U-1C

Totals 2316 Kills, 1359 Killed

then subtract ground vehicles and the defenseless flying target...

against M3 36/3
against Panzer 209/123
against M16 226/102
against C47 51/6

Totals 1794 Kills 1125 Killed

k/D is 1.59

Now the FW190-A5

Totals 2093 Kills 1336 Killed


against M3 23/13
against Panzer 13/35
against M16 103/58
against C47 34/2

Totals 1930 Kills 1228 Killed

K/D is 1.57

in an Air-to-Air engagement, the F4U-1C is clearly no more "Uber" than the FW-190-A5.

Now I'm of the opinion that if we are going to compare aircraft as FIGHTERS then we ought to subtract the M3, M16, Panzer and C-47 kills and then run the stats.

If you want to examine the ground attack capabilities, use just the M3, M16 & Panzer kills.

I wouldn't ever include the C-47, unless maybe it was in the "vs Target Drone" stats!

[Tac]

One thing you have to take into account is that the F4U-C is not "user friendly". The 190 is much easier to take off, fly and land it.

What am I getting at? Most of the kills the F4U-C get there are either from pilots who know the F4U (Torque, the VMF guys, etc) and do unreal stuff in it, or from those like me who manage to take off with it, get some alt, get like 3 or 4 snapshot kills and then die a very miserable death once we blow our E. In a CHOG I dont need to use ACM... just point, shoot, pray, hail mary! (snapshot kill) and then lawn dart or get shot down hehe.

I also see much more 190's going after buffs than F4U-C's. Maybe that will change someday hehehe.

[Swager]

Toad,

If you're not intested, what in the hell did ya post for???    

Can I have your Budwieser??

[Toad]

I'm not interested enough to run the numbers AGAIN, Swag!

 

Feel free to wear yourselves out though!

[bloom25]

I have nothing against those who choose to fly the F4u-1c.  (I'd rather fight one of them instead of a 190a5, that thing is incredible.)  That said, I no longer fly it because it almost feels like cheating to be able to kill anything with just a couple pings.  After flying the Hog-C for about 2 tours, I decided to learn the P51.  Once I got used to it I found getting kills to be much more fun.  You need to do more than just "point and click."    Not only that, but the .50s have some hidden advantages of their own that are often neglected.  (Much better for high-G tracking shots.)  



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[MANDOBLE]

 

Originally posted by bloom25:
...I no longer fly it because it almost feels like cheating...

Totally agree, flought that during tour 1, but never more (except for testing).

[Ripsnort]

Hazed, I flew this plane exclusivly in Tour 4 (5?) for analysis of its guns.  Then they patched Aces High.  IMO, they fixed the high lethality of the guns.  However, within 400 yards,  these guns will rip your wings  off quite well, but so will the 190A8 with 4x20mm...so, whats your point?

Fly it for a tour, tell me if the Hispanos don't equalize the FM performance.  BTW, the FM will apparently be fixed, so I  salute all those before me that flew  this pig before I became attached to it (F4U-1C and D model)

Incidently, when I flew the A8 for a tour, my K/D Ratio was equal in both planes, I flew them the same way...both are pigs in ATA when you have the disadvantage.

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[MANDOBLE]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
...However, within 400 yards,  these guns will rip your wings  off quite well, but so will the 190A8 with 4x20mm...so, whats your point?

The point is that these guns will rip your wings off within 900 yards with great precission.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
The point is that these guns will rip your wings off within 900 yards with great precission.

Prove it, show me film.  I have film downing a 900 yard A/C with my F4U, however, it took the ENTIRE magazine and he was flying straight and level, I believe you can do this in any P51 as well.



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[Zigrat]

At 300 yards, hispanos are as the should be: extremely lethal. So are the MG151/20. But at 600 yards, its a very diffeerent picture, the hispanos are very strong while mausers are almost impossiblle to kill with. Most people from my understanding dont have a problem with the hisps at close range, but perhaps their damage at medium to long range is a little high. It certainly is easier to get a kill at 700 yards in a f4u-1c than a 190a8.

[Swager]

Ah Toad!  You're right!  Pretty boring info!

 

[Ash]

Rip,
   I respect all pilots in all rides, but lately < last 2 weeks> I have noticed more F4U drivers starting to shoot at D1.0 + . Last night at 2 different times, 2 different pilots < 1 bish, 1 rook >. I was pinged at D 800 < fuel leak >, and D1.0 < this guy was spraying from 1.4 to 1.0 on my FE, sorry but Dweebish > and caused a fuel leak on my beautiful, beloved G10! < Bastige, shot me on my ditch >. My point is this. One of the advantages of my G10 is her climbing ability. I love the roper dope and use climbing to my advantage. Many times planes come within D1.5 before they stall and I can pounce them. I would think 1500 METERS would be a safe distance between 2 planes. It's not with the cannon hog....Somethings wrong.

{The A8 does NOT have the amazing E retention the 1C has. There are more chances to bring your guns to bare in an 1C than an A8. Apples and Oranges}

BTW, I might have film of the D1.0 shot. I will check.

<S>
Ash
I./JG2

[Toad]

Swager....see I told ya!  

...and this argument will NEVER end.

At first K/D is used as the ultimate arbiter of "uberness".

You take out ground vehicles and target drones and suddenly K/D is an unreliable indicator of "uberness." LOL!

I'm glad it's a game........and ONLY a game.

Enjoy!

[Ripsnort]

Ash, as I said in my post above:

"I have film downing a 900 yard A/C with my F4U, however, it took the ENTIRE magazine and he was flying straight and level, I believe you can do this in any P51 as well."

Me thinks its an ego thing, someone "thinks" they're safe at d1.0-d1.5, although the actual distance is probably d700 yards on the enmies FE.  So, one gets shot down because they 'assumed' they were safe, thus, "The guns  are porked!" statements.

Here's an easy fix, make D2.0 the 'safty margin' because I can kill you at D1.0 with both a HogC and a P51.