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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2003, 05:25:18 PM »
NO, this is hardley a quagmire.  WW1 was a quagmire, Korea was a quagmire.  I'm not saying this is easy sailing but look at our losses so far.  Every Life is preciouse and our casualties have been cept to a minimum.  No quagmire here

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2003, 05:50:37 PM »
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Two senior administration officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the document is classified, described the report's findings in broad terms but did not detail any recommendations.


Call me crazy, but I'm suspicious of anything like this until I get something a little more defined. Take it with a grain of salt, especially with the limited area of the country that these attacks are occuring in.

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NO, this is hardley a quagmire.


Agree, but we need to get a handle on the stuff going on in the 'Sunni Triangle'.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2003, 05:55:11 PM »
Quagmire - a difficult or precarious situation; a predicament.

Casualties is only one part of it. Cost, moral, political fallout, public dissaproval and a whole host of other effects all contribute in turning a situation like this to being refered to as a quagmire.

As for casualties being kept to a minimum, true a very tough environment to be in.  But I'm sure the casualties and wounded at this time are alot higher then the Bush Admin ever anticipated.




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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2003, 05:59:02 PM »
I find it hard to believe that they projected as little as 400 casualties.  I figured we'd lose 5000 guys just taking Bagdhad.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2003, 06:10:22 PM »
I have said it before and will say it again.
The dammed ragheads aint worht ONE American life:mad:

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2003, 06:56:13 PM »
I think that it's the fact most casualties have occured after the infamous Bush anouncement of major conflict being over. Plus I doubt that they ever would of thought of 5000 casualties in just taking Baghdad.



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I find it hard to believe that they projected as little as 400 casualties.  I figured we'd lose 5000 guys just taking Bagdhad.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2003, 07:43:20 PM »
I think this whole quagmire word is only braught up to discredit bush.....yup its bush's fault.  The "end to major conflict" speech was just that.  It was announcing the end to the major fighting and a transition into occupation then demobilization.  ummmm correct me if im wrong here but those seem like the steps you would take in this situation.  Everyone wants to make bush look bad no matter what the cost.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2003, 07:51:15 PM »
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Everyone wants to make bush look bad no matter what the cost.


396 dead and a $87 Billion bill... yeah... Dubya should come out smelling like a rose.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2003, 08:16:26 PM »
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396 dead and a $87 Billion bill... yeah... Dubya should come out smelling like a rose.


So what would you have done instead?

Heard lots of criticism, not just from you either so don't take it personally, but NO options. What would you have done to solve the situation in iraq?

Finally I read a comment from a MOH recipient here in AZ. in this mornings newspaper. He said we can fight terrorists here or fight them in some other country but we WILL have to fight them somewhere and sooner or later because they will fight us.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2003, 08:44:41 PM »
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So what would you have done instead?

Heard lots of criticism, not just from you either so don't take it personally, but NO options. What would you have done to solve the situation in iraq?

 


Iraq? I thought it was OBl we were after? I didn't know he was in Iraq.

I would have gone after OBl til I got him, not let him hang around for the next election. If I were prez Pakistan would be moving alot faster to flush him out, or I would.

I would make no distinction between the terrorists and the people who harbor them.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2003, 08:53:56 PM »
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396 dead and a $87 Billion bill... yeah... Dubya should come out smelling like a rose.


It's been said before but bears repeating; where would you rather we fight al-qaeda, there or here?
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2003, 09:49:27 PM »
*IF* we can establish a budding democracy, and thats a
gigantic *IF*, then the potentiol for a long lasting peace between arab muslims and western christian nations is greatly enhanced.

It is precisely this reason why the militants of islam are blowing themselves up with such dedicated fervor.  They know their cause could be terribly defeated by their own arab brothers desperate for the lasting peace and prosperity that is so obviously attainable if a free Iraq is established.   They sense the misgivings of many of the people in the west unwilling to fight and critical of the administration and no doubt see it as the best evidence of their suicidal efforts.  Imagine if the USnavy admirals in the pacific battles late in WW2 were liberals.............militant Japan would have survived.....I imagine the discussion would have gone something like this: "We cant fight against these  kamakazis, they are undefeatable, we cannot afford these casualties, we must retire from this fight.  It is a war we cannot win.

Basically what I see coming down the pike in the next 30 years, give or take a decade, is a world war between muslims and christians.  This administration is seen by me as doing either one of two things regarding this matter.  Either they are taking the boldest step forward since the end of WW2 to create and preserve world peace and stability, or they are leading the world towards its inevitable conclusion.  Either way I honestly didnt forsee this developement regarding Iraq after 9/11.  I am truly humbled by this effort and extremely uncomfortable with the consequences.

Braver men and women than I are doing their duty, serving the nation.  All I can do is support them and believe in the cause fighting to create a stable and prosperous Iraq which is in and of itself a direct assault on terrorism.  If you cannot see that then I believe it is because you do not want to see it.  Just my opinion, of course.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2003, 10:39:22 PM »
Sandman,

You'll likely find this article interesting.

http://www.policyreview.org/aug03/kagan.html


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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2003, 11:07:37 PM »
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Iraq? I thought it was OBl we were after? I didn't know he was in Iraq.

I would have gone after OBl til I got him, not let him hang around for the next election. If I were prez Pakistan would be moving alot faster to flush him out, or I would.

I would make no distinction between the terrorists and the people who harbor them.


That's a little narrowminded, do you think OBL is the ONLY terrorist out there should we only go after terrorists AFTER they attack us.  

I agree with you on pakistan but I think in my own narrowminded opinion we would be going into Iraq sooner or later.