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The Armed Citizen - November 2003
« on: November 15, 2003, 09:28:38 PM »
http://www.nracentral.com/the_armed_citizen.php
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Store clerk Nicole Tucker, 21, first noticed the man wandering around Tucker’s Market around 4 p.m. when the store was very busy. He’d said he was looking for a friend. An hour later, when Tucker was alone in the store, the man returned. “I was by myself the second time,” she said. “He confronted me about money, he said, ‘Give me your money or I’ll blow your brains out.’” The man acted as though he had a gun in his pocket. As he came around the counter toward her, his view was momentarily obstructed and Tucker used that to her advantage. She grabbed the gun kept in the store, which stopped the man in his tracks. “He must have seen me with it (the gun) because he took off and ran back out the door. I followed him … I pointed the gun at him, but I never fired,” she explained. Police were on the scene within 30 seconds, but the suspect remained at large. Tucker’s coworker, Doris Clark, praised Tucker’s actions. “The only reason he didn’t get anything was that when he came around the corner, he was facing a gun,” Clark said. “She was a very brave young lady, and I compliment her very much for her bravery.” (Altavista Journal, Altavista, VA, 05/14/03)


A 64-year-old Tacoma, Wash., resident confined to his bed managed to defend himself when attacked by an intruder. He had just heard his wife leave the house when there was a loud bang, and then the back door was kicked in. The homeowner grabbed his gun in one hand and the phone to dial 9-1-1 with the other. That’s when a strange man entered his room, hiding his face with a handkerchief and intoning, “I’m going to get you.” According to the resident, “That’s when I shot him.” The wounded intruder and an accomplice fled, and police alerted area hospitals. The homeowner—who said he’s kept a gun in his home for protection for years, but had not fired it outside the range before the incident—said, “I’m thoroughly convinced this guy would have killed me.” (The News Tribune, Tacoma, WA, 06/03/03)


A Phoenix, Ariz., construction equipment company had been hit by a string of burglaries, so the owners decided to take turns standing guard at night to ward off any more thieves. Early one Tuesday morning Douglas Click, one of the owners at Arizona Hi-Lift, was guarding the company armed with a shotgun. He confronted two men who were stealing items from the equipment yard, and they attacked him with a metal rod, according to Phoenix Police Detective Tony Morales. Click responded by firing at his attackers, and one was fatally wounded.  Detective Morales said no charges would be filed against Click as, “he was in fear of his life and he was being attacked.” (The Arizona Republic, Phoenix, AZ, 05/20/03)


A 75-year-old Independence Township, Mich., man was sitting on his couch watching television when he heard a loud noise. The homeowner went to investigate, and as he entered the kitchen he discovered three men coming in his back door, which had been kicked open. There was an exchange of gunfire between the resident and intruders, and the would-be burglars fled. Unfortunately, the man wasn’t able to provide good descriptions of the intruders for police. (The Oakland Press, Pontiac, MI, 05/13/03)


A south Houston, Texas, couple was loading items into their car in front of their home when two young men approached them and struck up a conversation. The woman said the men made her uncomfortable, and she immediately backed away from them. She noticed that as one man kept talking the other was moving behind her husband and kept his hand deep in his pants pocket. The woman ran inside and called 9-1-1 and then looked out her front window. One of the men now had a gun pointed at her husband’s head. She then ran into another room and picked up a gun just as the second man burst into her house. He came straight at her, and she fired the gun, striking him in the arm. The wounded man ran from the house, shouting to his partner that he’d been shot. The nefarious duo then ran off in opposite directions. Police had the two 16-year-old suspects in custody within minutes. (Southwest News, Bellaire, TX, 05/13/03)


When two armed men entered the Beyond Wireless phone store on East 38th Street in Indianapolis in an apparent robbery attempt, store manager Earl L. Dixon Jr. pulled out a gun. He then fired at one of the armed suspects, fatally wounding him. Dixon said when the two men entered and drew guns, “I thought I was going to die,” so he dropped down and retrieved a gun he kept at the business and fired two or three times at the men. Indianapolis Police Detective Bob Flack investigated the shooting and said Dixon’s actions were justified. “Weapons were pointed at him … and he defended himself,” Flack stated. (The Indianapolis Star, Indianapolis, IN, 04/29/03)

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2003, 10:40:07 PM »
:aok  Thanks
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life." - Chief Tecumseh

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2003, 11:08:27 PM »
Still good stuff.
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2003, 09:20:52 AM »
criminals in prison hear about this stuff all the time from their buddies.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2003, 11:29:08 AM »
"For every person killed by a firearm in the home as an act of self-protection, 1 unintentional death, 5 homicides, and 37 suicides by firearm occur. "

http://www.health.state.ok.us/program/injury/violence/firearmv.html

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2003, 12:16:44 PM »
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"For every person killed by a firearm in the home as an act of self-protection, 1 unintentional death, 5 homicides, and 37 suicides by firearm occur. "

http://www.health.state.ok.us/program/injury/violence/firearmv.html


And how many crimes are prevented by the criminal fearing his victim may be armed?  If the criminal runs away, chooses not to commit a crime that night, or is injured, it doesn't leave any sensational statistics for you to quote.

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2003, 12:21:39 PM »
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"For every person killed by a firearm in the home as an act of self-protection, 1 unintentional death, 5 homicides, and 37 suicides by firearm occur. "

http://www.health.state.ok.us/program/injury/violence/firearmv.html


Interesting numbers.  But didya notice they only mention the times the defensive gun use caused the death of the assailant?  And how many times are guns used to protect the life of the gunowner and no one is killed?

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There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.

Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

There is one study, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which in 1993, estimated 108,000 DGU's annually. Why the huge discrepancy between this survey and fourteen others
?http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html



Don't fall for one of gun-control's main sources of playing with the numbers.  They tell you that you're X number of times more likely to be hurt with your own gun in the house than to use it to kill an assailant.  Which is true, but only a small portion of the story.  I have a gun to defend my family and I, not to kill people.  So, if by pointing it at an intruder, the intruder stops what he's doing I have sucessfully defended my family.  And if you use those numbers, you'll see that no matter who's numbers you use, the amount of sucessfull defensive gun uses in America every year greatly outnumbers gun deaths of all types.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2003, 01:29:39 PM »
well... guess we woud do away with suicide or at least lower em to japans rates if we threw all the guns in the ocean... well... all the guns except our masters that is.

we may have a few thousand middle class white homicides per year but we prevent between 3/4 and 3 million crimes per year with firearms.  

The statistic of 1 unintentional homicide for every criminal killed is wrong.   When someone says... " i didn't mean to kill the scumbag just scare him off so he wouldn't keep coming at me with that butcher knife." that becomes an "unintentional homicide".   Throw out deaths incured durring the commission of a crime to get the true statistic.   Most people say..  " I didn't mean to kill him" when asked for police reports.   Truth is... they very much did mean to shoot him.   And... they were right to do so.

Suicides... I don't care about suicides so far as tool used.   I won't make a law against high buildings or bridges thinking that will prevent suicide.   Japan has a very high suicide rate... we should see what they are using maybe and suggest they outlaw that tool.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2003, 01:32:51 PM »
Using suicides as an argument for gun control is silly. If someone's going to kill themselves, they'll find a way.

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2003, 01:50:22 PM »
ravel... in your country you made laws against owning firearms even though firearms were not causing any problems.

I bring up white middle class crime because it is not a problem... you would punish and leave at the mercy of the lawless those who cause no problem for their fellow man because of the acts of the lawless?

Drug dealers and trafficers will stop doing so if firearms are oulawed?   I will be safer if my white middle class neighbors are unarmed??   I don't think so.   I am sure that the government (any government) would like people to think so but that is because they look at us as a potential threat to their power.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2003, 02:45:20 PM »
When you go to register to vote, the government should give you a free Tazer.

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2003, 03:10:27 PM »
tazers are unreliable and clumsy... they require too much skill and luck.   Not the best tool for the job.  They also give people a sense of power that is false and make people think that they are ok since they are "non leathal"   fact is... they have been known to be fatal.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2003, 03:29:44 PM »
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When you go to register to vote, the government should give you a free Tazer.

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When you go to register to vote, you should not be allowed to vote unless you own a firearm.

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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2003, 03:34:27 PM »
Was a nice sunny day in April 99. Wife and I were getting ready for a trip to Gathering of Nations in Albaquerque. My apartment complex was a backwards E with the middle being a courtyard, neighbors across the way were arguing all morning. Everythings in the car, even the parakeet in his travel cage. I start up to go, when my wife says she forgot her bottled water. I also forgot my chips ahoy I had stashed. Im walking to the stair to go up to my apartment when the shouting is outside now, out of the corner of my eye I notice 3 people standing in a line, and this guy walking towards me shouting back at them. Hes also pointing his finger, a very large finger. I turn and am about to laugh at his circus freak finger when he drops his arm to his side, shape pops in my head, desert eagle. Sheisse! hes got a friggen desert eagle, and hes walking to the parking lot where my wife is in my car. I calmly as I can go up to my apartment, close door, and retrieve my Mossberg, I am seriously to the bedroom and back in seconds, Im loaded with 3in buck, plus a slug in my change pocket.  I open my door and look out, holding gun outof sight by the pump with my left hand behind the door. OMG he is standing next to my car, breathing heavily like a madman. Thanking the genious that built the gate that lets me have a clear shot at him, I am praying my wife keeps calm.  I swore if his hand left his side by more then a few degrees in the direction of my wife I'd shoot him. MY neighbor tells me he called police. The guy tosses his crap in his car and turns around and walks back to his apartment, I wait for the door to close, then we drive off. Neighbor tells me when we return on monday. cops never showed.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2003, 04:45:30 PM »
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And how many times are guns used to protect the life of the gunowner and no one is killed?


I don't know how many.  I know that if you have any other weapon than a firearm in the US, statistics show that you can protect you property and prevent injuries to yourself.

So if people were really concerned about protecting thier families and/or property, they would use a bat.