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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2003, 12:25:20 PM »
I guess some things never change.
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« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2003, 12:26:20 PM »
"Please tell me then who is buried in all these graves? American tourists?"

 I see thousands of Americans who died in WWII invading Europe to defeat Germany and who would be mad as hell at what the US government has done in this day and age.

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« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2003, 12:30:40 PM »
There are three parts to the video they showed:

1) A Humvee and a Soldier by a tree.  Then major explosion...nothing left.  Looked like a remote bomb.

2) Convoy driving by.  Boom.  Major bomb and front of truck engulfed in flames and fireball.

3) Humvee drives by then they are ambushed by small arms fire.  Small arms fire continues and bullet hits score as call to prayer begins in background.  Sicking !

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« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2003, 12:32:29 PM »
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"Please tell me then who is buried in all these graves? American tourists?"

 I see thousands of Americans who died in WWII invading Europe to defeat Germany and who would be mad as hell at what the US government has done in this day and age.


I wouldn't presume to speak for them.
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« Reply #94 on: November 19, 2003, 12:34:28 PM »
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"The future of America is tied to the rest of the world. We cannot hide behind the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. September 11, 2001 proved that."

 True. And the future is a bit screwed up as much of the world dislikes the US right now.  But anyway.  Who's promoting isolationism?   If a safe future was the true concern here why didn't the US jump on Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia?
 


Iran: The government of the ayatollahs is becoming less hard-line.  Besides, I think they're glad to see Iraq under US/coalition control.  It gives them some peace knowing that they won't be invaded by fellow muslims anytime soon.

Syria: Proven to support terrorism, but invasion difficult due to lack of available US resources.  That's why we're sending "reserves" overseas to Iraq.  I wouldn't be surprised if Syria becomes a hotspot in 10 years if not sooner.

Saudi Arabia: the royal family is cooperating with us, believe it or not, if even as a token gesture.

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« Reply #95 on: November 19, 2003, 12:36:51 PM »
"The future of America is tied to the rest of the world. We cannot hide behind the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. September 11, 2001 proved that."

 False. It was meddling that brought it onto US. Should have stayed home rather than support Al-Qaeda, Shah, House of Saud and the rest of those "friends" of ours.

 The US involvement into WWI was on the same crappy pretenses as the the invasion of Fhillipines before that. Cost europeans an extra year of fighting, few more millions dead and of course the bolshevism and nazism.

 miko

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« Reply #96 on: November 19, 2003, 12:40:32 PM »
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What did we care about a war in Europe in 1914?
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Nothing. You didn't enter the war until April 1917. The direct reason, as opposed to the propaganda coup, was the resumption of German unrestricted submarine warfare in early 1917, and to have a say in the peace. The USA did not fight WWI based on the sinking of the Lusitania; which occurred two years before the USA entered WWI. The declaration of war would have happened if the Lusitania had never existed.

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What did we care about a war in Europe in 1939?
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Nothing. You didn't enter the war until December 1941, and even then it took Germany to declare war on you before you took any offensive action in Europe.

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Nothing. You fought against the spread of Communism, not for the South Koreans. Had the NK's been Capitalists and the SK's Communists you would have helped the NK's invade instead.

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Same as Korea. You supported a corrupt undemocratic regime to prevent the spread of Communism.


You have proven my point.  We cannot adopt a policy of isolationism.  Our delay into the earlier conflicts were examples that should not be repeated.  I have no doubt that had Iraq continued unabated, there would have been another attack on US interests.

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« Reply #97 on: November 19, 2003, 12:41:11 PM »
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These men died in 1944/45 (prolly some earlier; aircrews). France was invaded in 1940 and you didn't do anything to support them.


They stayed invaded until we did everything to support them. I'm wasting my text here.
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« Reply #98 on: November 19, 2003, 12:46:18 PM »
Yes the US did a great job, when helping libarating France.

No doubt about this.

But if they was so concerned about France as you say, why didnt they get involved earlier?

Why did it take a declaration of war from Germany?

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« Reply #99 on: November 19, 2003, 12:47:24 PM »
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"The future of America is tied to the rest of the world. We cannot hide behind the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. September 11, 2001 proved that."

 False. It was meddling that brought it onto US. Should have stayed home rather than support Al-Qaeda, Shah, House of Saud and the rest of those "friends" of ours.

 The US involvement into WWI was on the same crappy pretenses as the the invasion of Fhillipines before that. Cost europeans an extra year of fighting, few more millions dead and of course the bolshevism and nazism.

 miko


You forgot to mention the Lebanese government in 1983.  Yes, we should not have supported a fellow member of the UN in that instance.  We should have learned our lesson from supporting UN members South Korea and South Vietnam and just let them get steamrolled. :rolleyes:

You're also right - Had the Austro-Hungarian troops taken France and the rest of Europe, there wouldn't have been a WW2, because there wouldn't have been anything for Hitler to invade other than the northeastern countries and possibly Britain (assuming it didn't fall in WW1).

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« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2003, 12:48:13 PM »
Its called Collateral Damage.. It is Something that we arent doing any more taking out innocent people ,so it makes the Military's Job more difficult to do.. And the US and it's Military are not murderers and do Not think Kindly of killing women and children and Make every Effort not to do that.. But sometimes it happens but then that is war.. I would like to get those also that kill withhit and run tavtics. Cant kill the entire country.. And there Moslems that do take the religion serious as a religion. Not like so called terrorist that use that religion to kill woman kids babies and any one they feel like it... If that was the case look at the bible see how many we have killed for relgion... But does it make it right if we do it now..I would not like to see our Country or its military discraced in that way. So many Of us HAve Served With honor.. Why should we kill what we always fought for and had so many die for. Would like be spitting on thier graves to me.. Thats Whats Makes our country Different so many ways than other countries. we just dont kill everything in sight and call it OK cause they do it'

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« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2003, 12:48:33 PM »
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Yes the US did a great job, when helping libarating France.

No doubt about this.

But if they was so concerned about France as you say, why didnt they get involved earlier?

Why did it take a declaration of war from Germany?


Because of isolationism.  The same concept as is being discussed as a reason to not get involved in the Middle East.

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« Reply #102 on: November 19, 2003, 12:49:03 PM »
I dunno, war is BS all around, i dont think we should kill all the muslims, there are some good ones, alota bad ones but more good probably.

 If we go to war (like we are already) this is basically another vietnam in the making, cant see the enemy, they jump out shoot few people and disappear, many more americans will die, just as many more muslims will die.

I dont understand how poeple can be on iraqs side though, people all say "Hey, wheres all the proof?" Of course we arent gonna find anything, you think Saddam just had all his watermelon sitten for everyone to see, We are still finding stuff Hitler had hidden even now days, We have found mass graves (Done by Saddam) does this make him better?

Those people need a different way of living, they go through hell everyday because all they do everyday wheather they have muslim leaders or an American government is kill each other over dumb chit, they need to realise not everyone is the same and some people just might go out on the limb and believe in something else.

Ah well, i dont like seeing those videos either, but im in support of this war, and hope Bush doesnt half bellybutton it and back out, i also know its hard for all the fathers and mothers with sons and daughters over there, but i plan to enlist next year, and take my part in this war if they will let me.

All in all if we just sit around and dont go to war, then more Sept, 11ths will happen, more innocent not involved in any war people will die. It can happen any day, who woulda though the Twin Towers could ever be taken out? And now they are gone. War is inevitable and war IS hell.

Anyways just my 2 cents
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« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2003, 12:52:00 PM »
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Yes the US did a great job, when helping libarating France.

No doubt about this.

But if they was so concerned about France as you say, why didnt they get involved earlier?

Why did it take a declaration of war from Germany?


IMO the US was headed towards the European war whether Germany declared it or not. The reason for the delay should be obvious. Firstly, many Americans were of German descent, recent generations. Secondly, the same phenomenom you see in America now. Many are opposed to war unless we have been directly attacked.
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« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2003, 12:57:11 PM »
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Wrong. Isolationism would have spared you the horrors of 9/11. It would have spared the Middle East of much of their problems (Iran-Iraq, Israel-Arab).

There is a difference between aiding friendly nations (like you did pre-Pearl Harbor) which is good, and getting involved in (thereby complicating) conflicts that do not concern you.


Wrong.  I believe Sept. 11 was a result in our involvement in Lebanon in 1983 and our support of Israel before that.  We were in Lebanon at the invitation of the Lebanese government, a member of the United Nations.  As a member of the UN, they requested the assistance of the UN members, and as a UN member nation America provided troops for "peacekeeping" (also known as "targets").  American had no interest in Lebanon, other than Lebanon as a member of the UN.

Are you suggesting that America should no longer abide by its commitments to the UN?

Or are you suggesting that we should cease our support of Israel?

Or both?

If we are to adopt a policy of isolationism, then we have no need for the UN.