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« on: November 20, 2003, 05:54:27 AM »
http://digidownload.iol.it/DgC/breda.avi

if it wont stream save target as

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 11:16:07 AM »
Be Cool if AH looked that good huh.:)

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2003, 04:48:20 PM »
I have a gun camera video at home. Always so surprised to see so much "stuff and pieces" flying off when an AC is being hit just as the one above does.

Some of those strikes in the above link look pretty heavy and explosive for a .50. Looks like some 20mm hitting their target in my very amateur opinion. Especially the strikes on the left wing.  

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2003, 05:04:13 PM »
What your seeing is the 12.7mm Breda HEI Rounds Hitting the Target, those are the Flashes, so of which are very large. The Target plane is the P40.

 Weapons like the Breda That fired Chemical engery rounds as aposed to the 50cal which was mostly a Kenitic engery weapon all suffer from a serious range effects penatility in lethality in AH. All rounds in AH lose their "punch" with range howeaver rounds with a chemical enegery componet should not realy depecerate in the efect at range given they still have suficient enegery on impact to detenonate, this is not realy modeled in AH insomuch as I understand it. Whear we realy see this being an issue is with
those particularly low velocity weapons with very short effective ranges.So withen normal combat ranges in AH we are faced with what are aparently very weak gun's, this is most aparent with the MG FF/Type 99's, and to a lesser degeree with the above weapon and others of a similar nature.

 If you advance it one frame at time it looks real cool, you see the impact points fairly clearly, at least untill He realy starts hitting then the target is particialy obscured from the smoke form the impacts.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2003, 05:51:36 PM »
In that case, 202s are shooting 40mm rounds:D . My P-40 falls outta the sky with only a few pings!

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2003, 03:55:41 AM »
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Originally posted by brady
...howeaver rounds with a chemical enegery componet should not realy depecerate in the efect at range given they still have suficient enegery on impact to detenonate...


Not entirely correct.  They need to have a sufficient amount of kinetic energy remaining in order to penetrate the aircraft's skin, then detonate.

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2003, 12:02:38 PM »
Ya it was a bit of typo.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2003, 12:44:47 PM »
Are the 12.7mm Breda's modelled as HEI in AH?  Never noticed their ballistics being that bad.

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2003, 08:59:42 PM »
I suspect they are since they fired HEI ammo, balistics doesent realy have that much to with this issue.

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2003, 03:53:12 PM »
But wouldn't a HEI round be a good deal lighter than a standard AP slug?  Less momentum, faster slowdown, worse balistics?  Or is it just not that noticeable?

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2003, 05:01:43 PM »
For a HEI type round to be effective all it nead to is strike the plane and detonate preferably with suficient force to just break the skin and blow.

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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2003, 05:59:40 PM »
Whats up with the small explosions up and to the right of the P-40? Its looks like the 202s rounds are exploding in air like flak.

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2003, 06:06:17 PM »
I think your seeing the impact points of the HEI shels that the 12.7mm Breda fired.

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2003, 08:18:51 PM »
Thats what it looks like, but what are they hitting? At first it looked like it was hitting the prop, but towards the end its looks like they just bursting in air ,   gave proof through the night , that our flag was.......     sorry:D

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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2003, 08:24:28 PM »
After further review, I think the rounds are bouncing off the right wing and blowing up in front of the P-40.