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Animal · « **Reply #120 on:** November 24, 2003, 08:16:27 PM »

Honky is by far my favorite poster in this board.

maslo · « **Reply #121 on:** November 25, 2003, 04:54:25 AM »

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Originally posted by MC_Honky

Russian hardware is for some third world army that can’t afford American or Euro equipment.

When I want to outfit an Air Force I go buy F-15’s and F-16’s.

maslo · « **Reply #122 on:** November 25, 2003, 04:59:06 AM »

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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Last I heard the French haven't secured a single foreign contract for the Rafael. 0 ! As for the Gripen- only the South Africans have purchased it. The F-16 Block 60 has been spanking all Euro-Russian hardware. Koreans made a huge purchase of the Block 60 F-16’s. Saudi bought a ton of F-15’s.

Now lets talk backwards third world countries. Yep..Russian hardware.

our country is about to buy Gripens
we got 2 offers....

old used POS F-16
or new Gripens

Price ??? same

btw First world country is US, second UK and rest is Thirdworld isnt it ?

MC_Honky · « **Reply #123 on:** November 25, 2003, 07:19:09 AM »

GScholz,

Another thing to remember. The Greatest moment in Norwegian Aviation History was made possible by the USA. This is, of course, when a Norwegian F-16 shot down a Serb Mig29.

Has a F-16 or F-15 ever been shot down by a Russian fighter….EVER??

maslo · « **Reply #124 on:** November 25, 2003, 09:31:22 AM »

Was there ever conflict Honky ?

geeez i trough that great moment in norwegian history was 1st 109

Rude · « **Reply #125 on:** November 25, 2003, 09:55:16 AM »

Awww C'mon!

Americans do everything better...everything. How many years must you folks live under our shadow before you realize that?

Oh, and we're the best lookin group of Earth dwellin humans too.

Euro Fighters? Think about it.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #126 on:** November 25, 2003, 12:10:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Rude
While that may be true, the quality of the pilot will be the weakness....are you saying that Euro pilots are more skilled than USAF or Navy jocks?

Sorry to burst your bubble Rude, but the word on the street in Europe is yes.
We didn't have all the fancy performances and equipment that you guys have. American pilots are over reliant on those and have a tendancy to loose it when faced with something out of the mold. Quind of like the LA7 pilot in AH.

I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.

In the similar time frame, I recall an engagement between the Fosh and an American carrier. Oh man, what a whooping, we didn't even detected you that we were already sunk:cool:

Pratriotism glossing appart Rude, it would be foolish to think that USA pilots are the best. Europe have high standards of training and admission. They fly planes who have less "row power" and train into more chalenging environements. The Suiss alps come to mind, with their live gun range in the lakes of the parks or at the corner of a mountain range canyon. It's not the 15,000 mile long landing strip in the middle of the desert.

look at the job of the British pilots in their bunk jaguars in desert storm one, daylight raids. I would not say that they have more skill than a F15E pilot, but they deserve a hat off.

Rude · « **Reply #127 on:** November 25, 2003, 12:36:53 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Sorry to burst your bubble Rude, but the word on the street in Europe is yes.
We didn't have all the fancy performances and equipment that you guys have. American pilots are over reliant on those and have a tendancy to loose it when faced with something out of the mold. Quind of like the LA7 pilot in AH.

I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.

In the similar time frame, I recall an engagement between the Fosh and an American carrier. Oh man, what a whooping, we didn't even detected you that we were already sunk:cool:

Pratriotism glossing appart Rude, it would be foolish to think that USA pilots are the best. Europe have high standards of training and admission. They fly planes who have less "row power" and train into more chalenging environements. The Suiss alps come to mind, with their live gun range in the lakes of the parks or at the corner of a mountain range canyon. It's not the 15,000 mile long landing strip in the middle of the desert.

look at the job of the British pilots in their bunk jaguars in desert storm one, daylight raids. I would not say that they have more skill than a F15E pilot, but they deserve a hat off.

This simply cannot be true....only American fighter jocks have skills....haven't you seen Top Gun???

Wmaker · « **Reply #128 on:** November 25, 2003, 01:54:03 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.

Ouch!

Ok, no need to mention what happened in the NAS Fallon when FAF pilots were converting to F-18s there...

MC_Honky · « **Reply #129 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:01:28 PM »

SFRT - Frenchy,

If US decided to evade France...we're talking just a "what-if." How long do you think you guys would last ?? One week? I'm not a French basher- I think you guys have a world class military. Just think- B2's take-out your command and control. Its just academic from there. US doctrine revolves around stealth-everything we do is a function of stealth. You don't have it + you have no counter measures.
After the lights go out in Paris- its party time for the USMC baby!!!!!!

MC_Honky · « **Reply #130 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:04:42 PM »

Wmaker,

can you explain NAS Fallon to me ...and or give me a link.

Wmaker · « **Reply #131 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:16:04 PM »

http://www.google.com

Chairboy · « **Reply #132 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:21:37 PM »

Ouch!

MC Honky, you have been zinged.

MC_Honky · « **Reply #133 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:33:12 PM »

NAS Fallon is a Naval Air Station. I assume you are talking about a meet that was held there or something ..please explain...

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #134 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:40:12 PM »

MC_Honky,

You are exactly right, the objective for France is to be able to hold 2 weeks (not 1) till NATO kicks in. With such a defense politic, we do not have to tie up massive $$$ for an hypothetical attack, and use the money to prosper our economy instead.

As far as counter measures, we do have some. As far as CCC being destroyed by a bomb, we have many CCC, some as deep as 1,000ft+ The whole CCC with allied/NATO are linked to each other as well as the radar stations. Meaning a CCC in Dijon will still be able to operate his zone after an attack thank to the data collected by other radars of other regions.

For your information, stealth technology relies on new radar technology. Taking some short cuts/over simplification in the explanation, it would work like this: You send a micro-wave lenght who is "absorbed" so the return is inexistant. France and other european countries still use the old 30cm wave lenght radar mixed with the newer radars, allowing a better detection of the stealth planes. Send a 30cm wave lenght, the plane absorb a micro-millimeter, the return is still 29cm +. That's maybe how you end up having a F117 shot down by a bunch of drunken Serbians.

In case of you are not aware with it, Europe builds some nice weaponery, some even being used by USA, like the Durandal. The matra Majic, was a better infrared missile than the contemporary AIM9 Sidewinder, it could be fired under a higher G loading, fairly practical in dogfighting.

No country can compete with the amount of technology and hardware quantity of USA, but it would be foolish to believe that other countries are using wooden arrows and voodoo sorceres.