Author Topic: I was listening to "consevative" radio... (Read 2584 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #30 on:** November 23, 2003, 12:57:29 PM »

LOL Grun, well said.

Capt Apathy.

You say the price of gold goes up as the economy goes down. Assuming for sake of argument that is absolutely correct. What is the value of gold expressed in? Isn't it expressed in denominations of governmental paper fiat? In other words that so precious substance, gold, is worth a significant amount of paper printed by a government. Now how is this better than that same parer fiat? How many of your bills have you paid by exchanging gold to the person / corporation you are in debt to?

Finally if gold goes down as the economy increases what has been the trend over the last 200 years of the economy in the U.S.? Seems to me it has been a fairly steady rise.

I fail to see why folks are so wrapped up in the yellow metal claiming it has value when the entire concept of economic value is an artificial construct and is only stable within a stable government. Gold has so little intrinsic value that if there were as much gold in the world as say lead, it would be penneys on the pound in value.

If having this gold fetish makes you happy, so be it, enjoy.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** November 23, 2003, 01:45:30 PM »

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Isn't it expressed in denominations of governmental paper fiat? In other words that so precious substance, gold, is worth a significant amount of paper printed by a government. Now how is this better than that same parer fiat?

you're right, just finish thinking it through.

if the economy goes to crap our dollar becomes worth less, when the economy is strong the dollar becomes worth more.

so if you buy gold then the ecomnomy falls the dollar is worth less and it takes more dollars to buy an ounce of gold.

when the economy is good it takes less dollars to buy an ounce of gold.

so if you buy when the economy is good (or at least better than it will be tomorow), and sell before it comes back up you get more (though of less value) dollars for your gold.

so in reality you didn't make anything, however your dollars didn't shrink like everyone elses when the value dropped (which is also a good thing)

btw- the link between gold and the ecconomy is not exact (there are other factors on the value of gold than just the ecconomy) it is real and easy to see, just check the price of gold with the dow for a year or so and it will prove the point.

Maverick · « **Reply #32 on:** November 23, 2003, 02:02:14 PM »

By saying, if the economy goes to crap, are you saying the end of the economy such as a total collapse? If so then gold will only have value to others that think it's a valuable thing. Other more pragmatic people will realise it's not good for anything other than decoration.

If you meant only an economic downturn, you're only speculating and that can be done in stocks and other commodities. It still comes down to something whos value is expressed in paper fiat. I think there are better investments given that I don't forsee a total economic collapse of the globe.

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** November 23, 2003, 02:09:48 PM »

Miko, the great difference between you and your opponents is that you, like most of intelligent Soviet people, are somehow immune to propaganda. At least you can tell when they lie. Or, to be more precise - to understand when they don't lie, because it's really hard to find any truth in government news.

Just curious, do you follow modern Russian media? Now I mostly listen to the radio,and can't watch TV because my Mother came to visit me. So I'll not be able to laugh at our "election campaign"

[ I have seen only one TV "commercial" from communists. It's incredible. A guy dressed like a black American dances and sings:

"It's our choice, it's our rap!
We are voting for CPRF!"

CPRF = Communist Party of Russian Federation]

Government-controlled TV makes me sick. So does the "independant" media. I am simply tired of all this "democratic" crap. They all lie and want to exploit us. Parasites.

Maverick · « **Reply #34 on:** November 23, 2003, 02:41:15 PM »

boroda you are SO full of it!!!!!!

Please, please tell me you really don't believe what you post.

Martlet · « **Reply #35 on:** November 23, 2003, 02:45:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
boroda you are SO full of it!!!!!!

Please, please tell me you really don't believe what you post.

You know what's scary?

I think he does.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #36 on:** November 23, 2003, 04:12:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
You know what's scary?

I think he does.

The sign of true propaganda and brainwashing.. Its funny because he is often the one to show us articles from pravda as truthful unbiased unpropagandic sources. Really got to to give a big ~~to soviet era brainwashing, even has its hold tight on a mans brain more than a decade later!~~

Sixpence · « **Reply #37 on:** November 23, 2003, 04:17:16 PM »

He must believe some propoganda.Miko is the one who believes there should be no police. That you should be able to hire your own police. Organized crime would love this guy, they could then put the police on the books legally. Ukraine must be an interesting place.

ravells · « **Reply #38 on:** November 23, 2003, 06:08:31 PM »

I find it very amusing that miko....an ex soviet knows more about American political history and economics than most Americans. Certainly most who post here.

Go miko...you are the perfect american!

Ravs

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #39 on:** November 23, 2003, 06:31:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
He must believe some propoganda.Miko is the one who believes there should be no police. That you should be able to hire your own police. Organized crime would love this guy, they could then put the police on the books legally. Ukraine must be an interesting place.

Yes I loved his diatribes about why a public police force was economically inoptimal solution. I bet its wonderful to live your life in an econ textboox. Everything must be so nice and clear and simple and unambigous - ceteris paribus of course....

Martlet · « **Reply #40 on:** November 23, 2003, 06:31:52 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
I find it very amusing that miko....an ex soviet knows more about American political history and economics than most Americans. Certainly most who post here.

Go miko...you are the perfect american!

Ravs

Actually, no, he's just used his years of experience with the Soviet propaganda machine to convince the weak minded that black is white. I see which side you fall on.

ravells · « **Reply #41 on:** November 23, 2003, 06:47:32 PM »

Well Martet,

when you have an intelligent response to his propositions then perhaps I might fall on your side!

Ravs

Martlet · « **Reply #42 on:** November 23, 2003, 06:51:59 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
Well Martet,

when you have an intelligent response to his propositions then perhaps I might fall on your side!

Ravs

See, that's the beauty of propaganda. It doesn't have to be inelligent, it just has to be what the person wants to believe. You'd like to believe the US is a horrible place with incredibly stupid and abusive citizens. Therefore, I'd never succeed in making you believe the truth. miko plays right into your dreams.

ravells · « **Reply #43 on:** November 24, 2003, 08:26:34 AM »

Lol! Absolutely not! you will have seen on other threads that Miko and I disagree about lots of things.

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You'd like to believe the US is a horrible place with incredibly stupid and abusive citizens

Wrong again! The vast majority of people I have met in the US have been extremely generous, polite and in the same intelligence bell curve as anyone else I've met, although it has to be said that they tended to take less of an interest in political events overseas. I'm sure that has changed significantly after 9/11.

Ravs

Rude · « **Reply #44 on:** November 24, 2003, 09:23:22 AM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Martlet: Obviously, miko missed the key phrase in his own post.
nice troll though. I give it a 3. You've done much better.

Since I've started this thread and invited everyone, I did read this message of yours.

So, what did I miss?

When the same person that spoke of his confidence in the government's economic policies tells me how he would never advertise a product unless he/she used it personally and found it of great value - and are buying gold and selling the USA short, how am I supposed to accept that?

It is no accident that the company hires Michale Savage or Laure Ingram or Sean Hannity to read this particular commercial. They are buying the trust of the audience, not just a squeaky voice.

miko

You're not too bright....you speak as if millions of Americans are buying into gold and selling out of other investments....that is not the case....the ad you heard is not about our economy, but rather about the pursuit of the almighty dollar....their brokering gold.

I suppose if I were from Russia and got to the USA, I would be excited to be here and say whatever I wanted as often as possible just to exercise that new found freedom...carry on Miko and enjoy your free speech...nothing in our constitution demands that that same free speech is required to be coherent.