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Offline Vermillion

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Recent Lag- New Server? New Load? or New Players Connects?
« on: December 05, 2001, 06:00:00 PM »
As everybody knows from all the recent watermelon chat in the MA, we as a community are seeing alot more laggy planes than we were use too. In fact, in my 2 years of AH, I had to say that Lag was never a problem consistently. But now, it seems to be for many.

Admittedly, I'm blessed with a Verizon ADSL connect that is very consistent at 80ms, and no packet loss. But I still see alot of planes that warp.

So what is it?

Is it the recently installed Server that lets us have 400 players in the Arena?  I honestly don't think so. For one, I know HiTech's and Skuzzy's dedication to the game, and how hard they work to give us a clean connect and a working server. If it was a hardware/server software problem, they would have fixed it, or pulled it until they got it working.  Plus, if it was server lag, I would expect to see all planes acting strangely, not just one or two here or there.

Is it just the fact that we now have massive numbers of players (a huge load) and the current technology just can't handle it? Again, I don't think so. For the reasons above, plus the fact that I see similar problems whether we have 180 plp online (like today), or we have 300+ online.  Additionally, if it was some critical router on the pipe into HTC, it should show some problems with trace routes.  Every time I check mine (and I do it both inside and outside of AH), even right after I see problems, I see no problem with the diagnostics.

Is it the new players connects? Well, its pretty obvious that this is the point I was getting too. And before someone gets all huffy and blows a brain gasket, realize that I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular.

I guess this is my not so subtle hint to people to please check your connect.  And if they're bad, get a new ISP or fly during times when your connect is good. We've all been there before.

But lets also be honest.  

In the past AH players tended to be from WB's or the FR arena's of AW. They tended to be more versed in computers, how to set one up correctly, and how to check they're connections. Overall they tended to be hard core simulator grognards.

Now we've had a huge influx of players from the shutdown of AW.  And I think this is a good thing.    :) I'm really enjoying the arena right now.  But also we are picking up alot of the more casual gamers, and large numbers of the pure "shoot em up!" crowd. Again this is ok with me (in fact I luv all the new targets   :p ).  But again, alot of these players don't know they're connect from a Pratt & Whitney 2800.  

Its my suspicion that alot of these people are on dialups from AOL and such, which was fine for AW since it was very lag "resistant". In fact it wasn't unusual for the majority of people to be flying with 800+ pings.  

But anyone who has flown AH for a while knows that this is not anywhere near acceptable for a smooth flight experience in this game.

So I guess my point is guys.  If someone tells you that you are warpy, be polite and check your connect. And if its a consistent problem, you may wish to look into a new ISP.   :)

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[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Vermillion ]

Offline Dinger

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2001, 06:28:00 PM »
Perhaps, but I've been having a specific problem:
Since 1.08 rev. 4 or thereabouts, AH has been stuttering online, particularly in 32-bit mode.  I thought it was my machine (Radeon 64 DDR), but now I'm seeing scattered reports from others (a Voodoo 5500 or whatever, among others).  Something's fishy guys.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »
Yout little modem connected lights have been known to cause in game stutters before, worth disabling em and see what happens anyway.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2001, 07:54:00 PM »
Let's see here,
Arrogant, condescending and patronizing spring to mind quickly.

So basically the reason for all the new lagin' and warpin' is all the new computer illiterate ex AW RR guys with their 486s and AOL dialup?

And they should either change ISPs or fly during your off hours so you are not inconvienced by "just one or two here or there" warping airplanes?

Just seeking clarification.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2001, 08:03:00 PM »
Okay, now that this has been brought up I to have noticed a great deal of lagging of late.
My latest problem though may be software related.  Periodically my screen will freeze for 1-4 seconds before showing me where I am in the air which by that time is usually pointed at the ground or some such unenviable
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What I'd like to know is HOW do you check your connection?  If someone would enlighten me then I'd be peachy king on checking my connection  :D

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2001, 08:43:00 PM »
Awulf, that's similar to what I've been seeing.
Interesting Cavalier, I haven't tried that.  Any idea how to disable that stupid icon?

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2001, 09:11:00 PM »
Since 1.08 and    the new server I have been getting frequent and repeated disco's in MA. I now no longer play there except on squad nights. I posted about it in the appropriate forum but the thread dies with no return from HTC. I assume they know there is a problem.

BTW I recall a post by Skuzzy that the new server isn't his. His company didn't yet have the equipment to handle the increased load.  :(

 
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2001, 09:57:00 PM »
Gents it's the routes into the new server, we are currently looking at other sights.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2001, 10:39:00 PM »
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Originally posted by hitech:
Gents it's the routes into the new server, we are currently looking at other sights.

HiTech

Thxs for the update.  Now, about them Early War planes ......... ;)

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »
Thanks for the update Dale !  :)

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
Verm I note your post and HT's response downthread.

My own situation is that I seldom see warps in AH <connect via SWbell dsl from Houston> but then I seldom had warp problems in AW either. When I did have problems back there in AW I would start shoppin for a new ISP. Over the nearly 10 years I flew there not a single instance comes to mind where I wasn't able to fix a major warping problem by switching ISP's. Didn't always find a cure with the first new ISP I tried but, by continuing to try ISP's I could always find a clean connect.

Some other thoughts from those AW days. It seemed that most of the guys that made the most noise about warpers fell into two categories. Those who didn't have a clue about ACM and thus couldn't recognize a lead turn when it shot them in the bellybutton and those with very bad connects.

That latter group were plainly evident in that when you got near them they'd be hoppin around the sky like a flea on a hot griddle and accusin everyone else of warpin on demand. Havin worked as an AWAR for a few years and tried to explain to that group many hundreds of times that it was thier machine/setup/ISP causin the warps and been subsequently screamed at and cursed for being either a moron or simply spouting the company line I learned I was better off in most cases just keepin my mouth shut and taking care of my own connection.

I've never understood why folks are so defensive about thier connection. Tell them it's bad and it's like you said thier sister gives bad head, they go berserk.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2001, 02:54:00 AM »
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Gents it's the routes into the new server, we are currently looking at other sights.

mmm, wish i had noiticed this thread before ; already checked everything on my end and even reinstalled AH ...

the routes are DEFINITELY a problem ; i can not connect to the new BETA.HITECHCREATIONS.COM server _at all_ !!

i hope you guys solve this before Sunday, i wouldn't want to miss Big Week !!   :(

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2001, 04:56:00 PM »
Getting my first notable disco's since 1.04'sh. Same deal causing that as the warping?

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2001, 05:51:00 AM »
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I've never understood why folks are so defensive about thier connection. Tell them it's bad and it's like you said thier sister gives bad head, they go berserk.

Well, I was probably one of those souls who repeatedly heard from AW Support staff that "MY" connection was the culprit.
The PURE fact of the matter was that no one heard the collective voice and you demonstrate that deafness now.
When the complaints came in, it was generaly in large quantity from folks who flew during "Peak" load periods.
My ACM skills were not lacking. It's pretty damned hard to have good SA translate into ACM when your opponent goes for 12 OC to 6 OC in just 400ms.
If it were my connect, then it would not only happen at peak times.
I had changed ISP's and Phone Lines as often as possible in an effort to combat that very flea on the griddle, but it never made a solid difference.

The problem now is damn near identical, and it looks like HT (after a month of telling me there's nothing wrong), has found something.


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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2001, 08:21:00 AM »
When I first got Road Runer they set me up with the cable coming into a surfboard adn USB from the surfboard into a USB connection on the MoBO.  I had problems with stability.

When I built my new computer I put in a network card  and hooked my surfboard up to that.  Now I have pretty good connects and stability is good.  People have no problem shooting me down.   :)

This past Friday I did get booted (discoed) twice.  Reasons unknown.
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